For me it is still not worth it.
i get 5% back on cell phone with us bank cash+
i do not use grub hub
I do not travel that often, when i do, I use my Costco visa, and get 3% back.
so annual fee not worth it for me.
Evreybody’s spending is diffrent, so at least it is worth it for you.
@dtk6802 wrote:
You receive- 10$ per month for paying cell phone bill.(120 annually)
I was under the impression that the cell phone bill rebate was an occasional offering you could only use once, if it is actually $10 per month that would make a huge difference.
I like this card but only because I combine it with my CS platinum to get the 1.25 x MR. It makes it an awesome restaurant/grocery card as I'm getting 5% back on both. The other perks are nice, but that's its main use for me. WIthout the multiplier, I'd probably just use the BCP and the Uber card for those categories. Basically I have a total Amex wallet now -- plat/gold/BBP/AMZ to cover just about any use. I love that I cash MR pts at 1.25 directly into an investment account that doesn't get touched. I don't think the cell phone perk you mention exists, I just checked on that. The grub hub thing is meh, it basically is enough to cover your delivery fee and maybe the tip. Everything else is good though.
AMEX did not create a product to lose money. Although they can't hope to make money on every card holder, to assume that one is outsmarting a (almost) 100 billion veteran financial company on one of their (which they dictate all rules) financial offerings is quite risky a proposition for the vast majority.
My personal usage numbers of the gold card and calculations made of the numbers agree with the above, thus I will be closing it once the 2nd AF hits.
Some more specifics:
1. It is not too hard to come out ahead if you pocket the 50K SUB and close it after 1 year, although there's no guarantee on this (think about: opportunity cost of the HP and new line of credit; types of transferable points one already have and needs/wants to have more).
2. AMEX's 'credits' in general, esp. the monthly 'use it or let us pocket it' ones, are the worst (without 'one of') in the industry. The yearly 'choose only 1 carrier for only the incidentals' ones are likely the 2nd worst in the industry.
3. AMEX's 'offers' has in recent years gone downhill from "some savings" to "another advertising venue" and is no longer useful at offseting AFs.
Not interested in any cards that have an AF, no matter how generous the benefits are -- I have several Amex cards that are on the Amex network but not Amex-company owned, all AF-free. My FNBO Amex Travelite card for example offers an annual $100 airfare travel incidetals credit, a $100 credit on TSA-Pre or Global Entry, 3% cashback on travel purchases, and 1.5% cashback on all other purchases. IMO, I would rather have a card with slightly less benefits but no AF, over a card with more generous benefits but a corresponding AF. Just my own personal preference though, YMMV.
@galahad15 wrote:Not interested in any cards that have an AF, no matter how generous the benefits are -- I have several Amex cards that are on the Amex network but not Amex-company owned, all AF-free. My FNBO Amex Travelite card for example offers an annual $100 airfare travel incidetals credit, a $100 credit on TSA-Pre or Global Entry, 3% cashback on travel purchases, and 1.5% cashback on all other purchases. IMO, I would rather have a card with slightly less benefits but no AF, over a card with more generous benefits but a corresponding AF. Just my own personal preference though, YMMV.
Do you travel a lot?
Just like everything else, "Your results may vary..."
My wife uses the Amex Gold for every grocery trip $250-300~ /week (I'm feeding 5 teenagers + whatever strays they drag over for dinner.) X 4 MR's X52... Even if I just redeemed the MR's a 1:1, it's still over $500 in value just on that spend alone. Monthly Cheesecake Factory dining adds another $120.
Just like my CSP. My wife uses rental cars a lot for when she's traveling for her home business, so the primary rental coverage and 2X URs make this card a no-brainer even with the AF.
If you don't have the spend in the right categories, it's not for you.. but some of us make out pretty well