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Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries

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Re: Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries

Message 11 of 15
Sharingan
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Re: Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries


@jbestman007 wrote:

@Sharingan wrote:

I have to disagree with some of the earlier posts. Maybe not with NFCU, but there’s plenty of evidence in the approvals section of people getting approved for large credit limits from various banks with a fresh history and just one or two AU accounts on their reports. I’m reading a fairly recent, large AmEx approval right now resulting solely from AU history. Obviously, the veracity of some of the accounts can be questionable, and I don’t agree with that kind of lending; but this loophole has existed for quite some time, and is seemingly very much alive today depending on where you apply. 


I believe you are conflating two things. Yes, there are banks that would give "large credit limits" to users with only AU accounts reporting but that does not prove any correlation between the limits the primary user had with the limit the AU gets. There is more to credit profile than credit limits. In fact, I would submit that the biggest benefit that a AU gets from being added to an established account is AAoA. That alone can improve one's credit score leading to the higher credit limit you speak of.

 

Also, this "loophole", as you call it, happens mainly with users new to credit. They already have clean profiles. Just not aged profiles. So, a 690 profile with an AAoA of 9 months added to a 15yr tradeline, now gets bumped to 760 with an AAoA of 6yrs.  User now gets a card with $5000 SL from Amex. Has nothing to do with the credit limit that the primary user had, I don't believe.


Couple things. The essence of my post was to counter the notion that, broadly, banks discount or don’t consider AU history during the underwriting process, which you’ve countered as well. There are clearly banks out there who do consider AU history, even the big names. 

 

Additionally, while you are correct that there’s more to a credit profile than credit limits, a number of the approvals were with very limited AAoAs, and not always congruent with the scenarios you provided. Since it’s really not possible to prove the correlation you mentioned with 100% certainty, it’s reasonable to attribute a high SL to the credit limits on the existing primary/AU accounts in examples involving limited AAoAs, assuming the bank considers AUs. You aren’t exactly proving a correlation with certainty in your second paragraph either, while also dismissing (“I don’t believe”) another factor (existing credit limits) in the credit profile. You can acquire a long history with low limit accounts and end up with low SLs. Personally, I would be even less inclined to believe a score would influence an SL more than reported limits. 



Message 12 of 15
Anonymous
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Re: Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries

Here's what we don't know from the examples cited so far: the income reported by the applicant who is also an AU.  Income is the significant determinant of starting credit limit so much so that federal law (CARD Act 2009) requires lenders to take it in to consideration when determining the applicant's "ability to pay."  Income and other factors would be why, in one example, the applicant got a $15,000 credit limit with scores below 600; not the fact that they were an authorized user.

Message 13 of 15
Anonymous
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Re: Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries


@Anonymous wrote:
Here, starts on message 18
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Helping-a-sibling-establish-credit-with-nfcu/td-p/5487377/page/2

Did you read message #16 of the same thread?

Message 14 of 15
Anonymous
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Re: Creditors that look at Au’s like primaries


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:
Here, starts on message 18
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/General-Credit-Topics/Helping-a-sibling-establish-credit-with-nfcu/td-p/5487377/page/2

Did you read message #16 of the same thread?


 Yes, but I don't see your point...? That is typical Navy behavior. Low limit on the first card, crazy high limit on the 2nd. He wasn't an AU on any Navy cards, was he? Perhaps I misread. In the example, it is specifically that the person is an AU on a Navy card, and the assumption that their algorithms do not distinguish the two.

 

I am not stating with certainty that being an AU guarantees anything with Navy; I was providing the DP that OP didn't just make that up or misunderstand how being an AU works. I'm about to add my 19 year old daughter as an AU on one of my $20k Navy cards in preparation for her own application next year. I will then be able to add or detract from the DP.

Message 15 of 15
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