@cashorcharge wrote:
@TheBoondocks wrote:Hey guys, I've been thinking about getting this card cause I hear a lot of people like the marriott, I finally stayed at the marriott and it wasn't bad. I'm over 5/24 and already have 6 cards with chase not sure if they would extend more but wanted to know if I got the brilliant card but never got the spg to begin with. Would I be eligible for the amex marriott.bonvoy card (spg)? Thanks
As this card is with AMEX, you haven't provided any info to aid on likelihood of approval so try the Amex PreQual Page. Not having the prior SPG card is not a dependency on getting this card as new to you. There is nothing precluding you from having a Chase Bonvoy and an Amex Bonvoy at the same time if your spend warrants it. Good Luck if you proceed @TheBoondocks
Thank you all for your input, I decided I still want this card.
So I did the AMEX Pre qual page and this card did not show up. Some others did, but this one did not.
Does that mean if I apply for it with a HP, my chances are slim?
My experience is that the pre-qualification (from an active amex online account) list is further filtered to 'reccomended' for you by amex for some reason or another.
If I click apply on other cards not immediately shown as pre-qualified, and the new page shows 'your prequalified' -- it's also an instant approval candidate.
To follow up:
Bonvoy is transitioning to a variable point value on award redemptions that is closer to a cash rate, and started the transition on March 29th. 2022 is a transition year where values can float between peak and off peak, and a small number of properties now have award rates that can soar above 100k/night. 2023 and beyond will make the program similar to IHG, where there is no published maximum or award chart.
What this means is it's a (shrug) whether or not your 50k certificate will get you what you want. However, you will be able to "boost" your certificate by up to 15k points by adding them from your Marriott account.
I've been playing around with this looking at redemptions in London (doing some European travel over the summer) and have found that for now, the 50k certificate is still usable, but not quite at the same properties it was usable at before 3/29 (lost some boutique hotels, got some bland Residence Inns and Canary Wharf corporate Marriotts). Since I booked a nice boutique hotel pre-3/29 this didn't really hurt me. 
I I also was able to get some points back on a booking in Germany (that's pretty high value, over a cent per point).
It feels pretty mixed bag to me (didn't love the change in hotel mix, did love getting points back on a booked redemption) but the uncertainty on "what will I actually be able to do with this 50k FNC" isn't making me love paying $450 for a card (net $150 for the FNC if you figure the $300 Marriott credit is as good as cash)- especially since this the transition year, the case where values chainwide float based on the cash rate isn't here yet.
Anyways, thought I would report some findings. The sky hasn't fallen... yet. In fact there are indications that you may be able to get better value in the program for your points: I don't know if a direct link is allowed, but a Frequent Miler article titled "Marriott's dynamic pricing is looking surprisingly good (for now)" can show you the upside in the program, hopefully you can plug it into your favorite search engine.