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Winchester2005
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Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card

Math was never my string suit so I need an estimation of how long it'd take to pay off my discover card. The tricky thing is, part of it is currently in different promo periods.

Statement balance: 13976.17

It tells me that paying 544 a month pays it off in 36 months, I pay 600 a month.

8836.04 balance has 25.99% apr

1872.9 balance has 0.00% apr (expiring  8/2023)

3160.67 balance has 3.99% apr (expiring 11/2023)

 

How long would it take to pay it off with paying 600 on it every month? (Not sure how much less than 3 years that'd bring it down to)

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Aim_High
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card

The first question would be what method Discover uses to apply the monthly payments. Often, payments apply to the promotional balance before you pay down the normal interest-bearing balance. Let's assume that is the case, as it's the more conservative assumption. 

I believe your answer is you'd save about 4 months of payments at $600 versus $544, shortening the payoff down to about 32 months. 

I'll just do rough numbers. Assuming your $600 first goes towards the $1872.90, that's about three months of payments in the 0% balance. The 3.99% interest on your $3,160.67 would be about $11 a month during this time so you're adding about $33 in debt. Let's say that balance goes to $3200. According to an online loan calculator, that would take about 5.5 months to pay off. Let's round that to six months for simplicity. You're at about 9 months total. 

The balance on your $8836 would have risen about $1,880 from interest charges in 9 months, giving you a new balance of roughly 10,715. My loan calculator estimates about 23 months to pay off that balance at 25.99%. 

Total payoff 3+6+23 = about 32 months. (If you did exact numbers to the penny, you'd probably find the more accurate number is 31 months @$600 and then a lesser partial-month payment the last month. I did those quick calculations with my cellphone and web applications. I'll leave it to our financial guru's armed with spreadsheets to do the more exacting breakdown. Lol) Smiley Tongue


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ptatohed
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@Winchester2005 wrote:

Math was never my string suit so I need an estimation of how long it'd take to pay off my discover card. The tricky thing is, part of it is currently in different promo periods.

Statement balance: 13976.17

It tells me that paying 544 a month pays it off in 36 months, I pay 600 a month.

8836.04 balance has 25.99% apr

1872.9 balance has 0.00% apr (expiring  8/2023)

3160.67 balance has 3.99% apr (expiring 11/2023)

 

How long would it take to pay it off with paying 600 on it every month? (Not sure how much less than 3 years that'd bring it down to)


I'd consider moving at least the $8800 at 26% APR to a $0 BT fee, 0% APR card for the longest intro period you can get, say 21 months?  That's $420 per month.  Leaving the $1900 at 0% APR until Aug '23 is $211 per month.  Leaving the $3200 at 4% APR until Nov '23 will be about $273 per month.  Can you swing $420 + $211 + $273 = $904 / mo, or is that too much?  

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Aim_High
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@ptatohed wrote:

I'd consider moving at least the $8800 at 26% APR to a $0 BT fee, 0% APR card for the longest intro period you can get, say 21 months?  That's $420 per month.  Leaving the $1900 at 0% APR until Aug '23 is $211 per month.  Leaving the $3200 at 4% APR until Nov '23 will be about $273 per month.  Can you swing $420 + $211 + $273 = $904 / mo, or is that too much?  


Refinancing to save money on interest payments is a good thought, @ptatohed.  However, this case is a little complicated due to the large balance with three different tiers of interest charges.   Similar to how I believe Discover will apply payments towards those balances, a balance transfer to a different credit card would be treated the same way.  So @Winchester2005 couldn't transfer the $8800 until after he transferred the other promotional balances (and therefore, lost the promotional APRs on the account.) 

 

I don't know his credit limit/utilization and how that might be affecting his credit scores, but with almost $14K debt showing on his report it could be difficult to get an equivalent amount of new credit on other cards where he could transfer the entire amount.   It might take a couple of new card approvals to transfer the entire balance. 

 

One suggestion in the absence of a new card is to look for promotional BTs on any other cards he currently holds.  Let's say there's a card (2) with a $2K balance.  Make minimum payments for three months on the Discover while accelerating the payoff on the card (2).  Then apply for a promotional BT on card (2) if one is available and if the credit limit is sufficient to cover all or most of the balance.   If balances are transferred off of Discover to a $0 balance, that would free it up to move it back over later (when the other promotional APRs expire) without having to pay the 25.99% APR.  I did that shell game some many years ago when I was paying off some large debts. 

 

One consideration of moving those balances off the Discover BT offer is that he probably already paid BT fees to get the promotional APR.  Transferring the balances early probably means more fees, which complicates the savings/cost calculations of the debt. 

 

This is a great example of how lenders sometimes "trap" consumers with BT offers.  I would imagine OP already had some debt on Discover (at normal APR) and then moved balances on the BT offer, or perhaps did the BT offer but continued to use the card for new charges.  Either way, the lender allows some debt to be stuck at the higher standard APR until it is fully repaid.   The non-promotional APR debt is always the last to get paid-off.  The solution to this is to (1) make sure there is a $0 balance on a card before transferring a balance and (2) stop using that card while it has a promotional balance.  That way, you might pay a 5% BT fee for a 12-month 0.00% interest BT, so you're effectively getting to finance that balance at 5% APR. 


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longtimelurker
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@Aim_High wrote:

The first question would be what method Discover uses to apply the monthly payments. Often, payments apply to the promotional balance before you pay down the normal interest-bearing balance. Let's assume that is the case, as it's the more conservative assumption. 


Might not make much difference, but I think the CARD Act stipulate that the minimum payment can be applied to any balance (so frequently the issuer will apply it to the lowest APR) but anything over the minimum must go to the highest APR.   If that's still the case, the full 600 won't be used to pay off the 0%  On the other hand it will be lowering the highest APR, so the actual payoff may be just a little quicker, but possibly not much!

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Aim_High
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@longtimelurker wrote:

@Aim_High wrote:

The first question would be what method Discover uses to apply the monthly payments. Often, payments apply to the promotional balance before you pay down the normal interest-bearing balance. Let's assume that is the case, as it's the more conservative assumption.


Might not make much difference, but I think the CARD Act stipulate that the minimum payment can be applied to any balance (so frequently the issuer will apply it to the lowest APR) but anything over the minimum must go to the highest APR.   If that's still the case, the full 600 won't be used to pay off the 0%  On the other hand it will be lowering the highest APR, so the actual payoff may be just a little quicker, but possibly not much!


Good to know, not that I plan to do it.  Lol Smiley Wink  I've always been careful *NOT* to have balances at the normal APR when I did BT offers, so I didn't have experience with how payments were applied in this situation.   I did find a reference to how payments are applied at consumer finance.gov.   So yes, this further complicates calculating the exact payoff timeline since payments would be divided among the three balances monthly.  But it's also true that the actual payoff length and total interest paid is probably not much different.    

 

At any rate, it's best of course to totally avoid this situation if at all possible since you're stuck paying that higher rate on a portion of your balance until it's all paid off. 


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SlideOrInsert
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card

from the discover card member agreement:

How We Apply PaymentsWe apply payments and credits at our discretion, including in a manner most favorable or convenient for us. In all cases, we will apply payments and credits as required by applicable law.Each billing period, we will generally apply amounts you pay that exceed the Minimum Payment Due to balances with higher APRs before balances with lower APRs as of the date we credit your payment.

 

given that, I imagine a payment schedule that looks something like this for 30 months.

 aprbalanceaprbalanceaprbalance
 25.9988363.9931610.001873
12/01/22-60084270317101873
01/01/23-60080100318201873
02/01/23-60075830319201873
03/01/23-60071480320301873
04/01/23-60067020321401873
05/01/23-60062480322401873
06/01/23-60057830323501873
07/01/23-60053080324601873
08/01/23-60048230325701873

 

 aprbalanceaprbalance
 25.9966963.993257
09/01/23-600624103268
10/01/23-600577603279
11/01/23-600530103290

 

 aprbalance
 25.998591
12/01/23-6008177
01/01/24-6007754
02/01/24-6007322
03/01/24-6006881
04/01/24-6006430
05/01/24-6005969
06/01/24-6005498
07/01/24-6005017
08/01/24-6004526
09/01/24-6004024
10/01/24-6003511
11/01/24-6002987
12/01/24-6002452
01/01/25-6001905
02/01/25-6001346
03/01/25-600775
04/01/25-600192
05/01/25-1960

 

that 26% apr is a dream killer, I would find a way to lower that starting now.

total of
balances
total of
payments
total of
interest
13870-17596-3726

 

upgrade
9/2022
$30000
nfcu
8/2020
$20000
nfcu
12/2018
$30000
bofa
8/2016
$30000
citi
3/2016
$21000
discover
5/2014
$20000
chase
10/2007
$8900
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Aim_High
Super Contributor

Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@SlideOrInsert wrote:

 

from the discover card member agreement. ...

 

given that, I imagine a payment schedule that looks something like this for 30 months.

 


Thanks,  @SlideOrInsert.  I knew someone wouldn't be able to resist spread-sheeting it out!  Lol  Thanks for the details.  So I made a conservative assumption about application of payments and fat-fingered-it-out late night on my cellphone and I was off by about a month or so.  Not bad, I'll take it! Smiley Very Happy

 

And yes, the table goes to show (29) months at $600 and then the final (30th) month's payment of $196. 


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longtimelurker
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Re: Math help on how long it'd take to pay off my card


@SlideOrInsert wrote:

from the discover card member agreement:

How We Apply PaymentsWe apply payments and credits at our discretion, including in a manner most favorable or convenient for us. In all cases, we will apply payments and credits as required by applicable law.E

 


Good, I can't count the number of times companies say stuff like "We will disregard the law as we see fit!"

 

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