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Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

Even better lenders are starting to become inquiry crazy. Chase and others pull 2 to apply and then demand an inquiry for every cli request which adds up.

Capital One also tends to give better starting limits once you’re out of subprime prison — and higher limits with one lender can and should get you high limits with others!

But their cards aren’t for everyone. Only doing the math for your spend and balance average tells you what’s best.

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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate


@ABCD2199 wrote:

I've posted a few comments on more than a few threads that are usually covering the same topic: "Why won't my secured card graduate?" or "Why won't my limit grow ever?"

 

Normally these topics seem to concern Capital One but they're not the only ones.  Capital One is a rare lender because they have a prime credit card pool but they also have a mid-prime pool of cards and also a sub-prime pool of cards...and sometimes these three tiers of creditworthiness get cards with the same name!

 

Asset-Backed Securities

 

Credit card debt, meaning the "money" that you borrow when you make a charge, do not just come out of thin air.  The creditor who is giving you a credit limit needs that money from somewhere to pay the companies you buy from.  The credit card industry in the US is well over $1 trillion in amount owed, but credit limits are much higher than this.  That means that the creditors need to be able to make payments of over $1 trillion to vendors.  It's a staggering amount.

 

The way that credit card companies can pay out your purchases is by using their own cash assets, or by enticing investors to put money in.  The latter is how they make an ABS, or an Asset-Backed Security.

 

Because Capital One is the most public in disclosing their use of ABS to generate credit limits to generate spending to generate profit, I'll focus on them, but they are not that much different from other banks.  While Capital One does get money deposited into their CDs, savings accounts and other cash investments, most of their credit line liquidity is provided by their ABS groups.

 

You can read Capital One's most recent public ABS disclosure at this link (PDF warning!): https://www.spratings.com/documents/20184/769219/Capital+One+Multi-Asset+Execution+Trust+(Class+A(20...

 

Using this particular disclosure as an example, you can see that they're issuing and requesting up to $500 million in investments.  In fact, it isn't Capital One that's requesting this money, it's a totally separate company called the Capital One Multi-Asset Execution Trust, a trust that operates to protect investors from Capital One going bankrupt.  Some investors call this trust "COMET" for what I hope is clear reasoning.

 

If you look at the "Profile" area on the first page, you see a whole bunch of different companies that are involved, including sponsors, depositors, trustees, and agents. It's pretty complex, and very complicated.

 

One thing to note is that this $500 million trust ABS is for "Class A".  Capital One as a lender actually has 4 different trusts for 4 different groups of credit.  Class A has a security rating of AAA, meaning the best rating and the last likely to default.  In this write-up, the type of borrower that is invested in is: 

 

As of Feb. 15, 2017, the consumer segment consisted of $24.3 billion of receivables with the following characteristics:

  • An average principal balance of $1,663;
  • An average credit limit of $8,712;
  • A utilization rate of 19.43%;
  • A weighted average age of 152 months;
  • 100.00% are from accounts older than 60 months;
  • None are from accounts equal to or less than 24 months old;
  • 50.56% have FICO scores of 720 or higher; and
  • 8.79% made minimum payments, and 21.26% made full payments

This is just one portion of the Class A ABS -- the other portion listed below this part is for business credit, which has similar statistics but is much smaller in size ($3 billion versus $24 billion for consumer Class A credit).

 

Further own the page you'll see that they believe the loss percentage is 5.5% -- that means a charge-off or total loss is about 1 in 20 borrowers in this prime lending group.  


Scroll down more and you'll see the expected yield ("profit") of this trust invested in prime credit card borrowers.  A neat insight is provided here, too: "Yield for this trust is relatively low because of the high credit quality of the obligors. The smaller haircut for this trust (relative to our example of haircut ranges listed in our criteria) reflect our assumption that because of high credit quality, seasoned cardholders are more likely to experience smaller increases in delinquencies than nonprime accounts in a downturn, resulting in less volatility in stressed yield compared with pools that include a high portion of nonprime accounts."  So prime credit borrowers are less likely to default so there's less volatility.  Duh.

 

Under the Payment Rate heading, there's more interesting information: "Of the receivables in the pool, approximately 20% are generated from convenience users who pay down their balances each month. Convenience usage is typically tied to rewards programs, which attract obligors who charge their cards to receive rewards, such as cash or airline miles, and then pay the outstanding balance in full each month." What they're saying here is that about 20% of their receivables (payments made on debt) is about 1 in 5 borrowers.  So if you say you PIF every month and never pay interest, you're 1 in 5.  Whenever I bark at people who are obviously BSing on the internet that they pay in full, it's because I know the details: not more than 20% of people actually do pay in full.  And the comedy of the statement is clear in the next sentence given: " we assume in our stress scenarios that the number of convenience users in the pool declines before the amortization period's first month and that the portion of revolvers who carry at least some of their debt over to subsequent months increases" -- this is hilarious.  What they're saying is that some people start out paying in full, but wait, then they stop and carry a balance.

 

Scroll a bit more and you'll get to Payment Priority which is a magnificent flow of what happens with money earned.  The top income first goes to cover unpaid interest not only of the class A borrowers but also of the other borrowing groups, but not class D which are the worst of the worst subprime borrowers yet.  In fact, servicing fees get paid before the interest of the worst subprime group!  After that, defaults and collection costs come next, then reserve account balances are topped off for each subprime class (C & D which default more often so need a reserve cash balance to cover those expected and assumed defaults), followed by other finance charges, and finally if all that stuff is paid, the investor gets some money back.

 

Amazing that even though an investor is investing in prime credit borrowers, the "profit" from those borrowers first goes to cover subprime borrowers who default or are late or are accruing unpaid interest charges.

 

Now, why won't Capital One or another credit card company increase your credit limit, or graduate your secured card?

 

Well, it's probably because you're already in an ABS based on your initial credit card application and starting limit provided.  It is not so easy for a lender to take a subprime borrower with a $300 limit from ABS Class D and toss them into a $20,000 limit from ABS Class A just because their FICO scores went up 250 in 6 months.  It doesn't work that way.  In order for them to upgrade you, they would have to remove you from the Class D ABS somehow and put you into the Class A ABS.  It can't happen magically, there has to be other things considered and confirmed and let's be honest: it isn't worth it.  It's way more worth it for them to tell you to apply for a brand new card and contract, and upon approval you will be sold off to the ABS you should be in now.  Your old card may forever stay in the subprime category...and this is done for an exeptionally good reason (turn your brain on here):

 

Capital One likes prime borrowers who still have subprime tier credit cards from years ago.  Why?  Because when they sell subprime debt (Class D) to investors, they want to keep the FICO score average a little higher, and the default rate a little lower.  By keeping prime borrower in a subprime card, they can skew the analysis when investors ask.  If it wasn't for these useless subprime cards being open (even for 2-3 extra months), truly bad credit borrowers may not even get that $200 credit limit because investors might be scared off from the group average delinquency and FICO score.

 

Capital One likely relies on some borrowers not wanting to close an old credit card even though they went from 550 FICO to 800 FICO since opening it.  By keeping it open, it helps skew the results for the class D gutter subprime risk ratio so investors are more likely to invest in it.

 

This is also why Capital One gives second chances: because not only do they have investors who want a piece of profitable-but-risky subprime debt, but they have prime credit borrowers who still retain subprime cards to help the pool look better overall.

 

More to come as I have time to write it.


You sure you are not a retired derivatives analyst with crazy loot in the tropics. JK This is great insight in this world and glad to learn something everyday. This looks like 2006-2007 again with the mortgage back securites. I read a book on this but never knew this is how credit card lenders operate(at least CAP one and some others we love to hate).

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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

Discover also uses ABS to finance credit lending -- they have public reports available for reading such as: https://investorrelations.discover.com/investor-relations/debt-investor-info/discover-credit-card-ab...

 

What's really odd sometimes is that it appears that Chase actually may invest in ABS issued by other creditors.  I have no actual evidence of this but some of their reports talk about it.

 

I was never involved in finance directly, but as a consultant for a long time, I did in fact work with some very well known lenders and they always tipped me off to structural changes in the markets.

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Outstanding thread and information ABCD2199.

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Bumping this thread because I came across Barclays offering ABS for their consumer products.

 

Link here: https://www.home.barclays/prospectuses-and-documentation/secured-funding-documentation/securitisatio...

 

Really interesting details in those PDFs!

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Bumping thread as Synchrony also uses ABS for their products (PDF warning): http://investors.synchronyfinancial.com/~/media/Files/S/Synchrony-Financial-IR/abs-prospectuses/sync...

 

VERY interesting FICO data in this PDF.

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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

Nice read, very interesting and pretty much what I assumed.

For the record, I am 1 of the '5' and have been since Post BK in 2003 that payoff balances before interest occurs.  I only carry balances on cards where I have deferred (0%) interest.  I generally carry around 15k on these various cards (Citi, Discover, BOA) and never occurring interest (with my total CLs that’s about 4% utilization).  I am all about getting whatever deal a card is offering and having whatever balance that got me into that ‘deal’ paid off 90 days before expiring.  You got to be COD about it to be a 1 and 5 - IMO.  Also getting burnt in CC debt is a great way to learn your lesson too!

 

It’s funny though out time getting a CLI and then my FICO goes up, because my utilization has gone down and I have not paid anything down.  It’s a fun game play with FICO – last year before I made some large purchases and got a new car I had of my FICOs at the magical 850!

 

 

 

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Awesome read with incredible, easily digestable information! I never knew this is how CCCs worked.

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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

Quite an interesting read. I actually always assumed that bucketing with Capital One and Discover was something similar to this but it was a guess, had no idea it was factual, it just made sense to me. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Credit Card Asset-Backed Securities (ABS) and why some subprime card never grow or graduate

 

I bet the card issuers have data that supports a statement something like this:

 

"If in your life you were EVER a sub-prime borrower, even if your score is now 850, you are more likely to default than someone who has NEVER been a sub-prime borrower"

 

And I suspect that's the reason why they are reluctant to upgrade you.


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