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I want to DV a CA for an account from 2003 that i didn't know about until i ordered my CRs last week. But I'm a lil confused about the process, and the DV link i found honestly kind of confused me more. lol. What i got from the link was that they have to validate, but they can ignore me for years if they want to and then do it, and there's nothing clarifying what validation means so.... Where does that leave me when they don't respond or just send me a bill? What are my next steps? I assumed that validation meant sending me a copy of a signed document stating that I was taking responsibility for the medical services provided, which i seriously doubt they could come up with. But if the law doesn't say that's what they have to provide me with, what's to stop them with providing me with, say, a letter from the OC claiming I owe them money or something? And if I don't hear back from them in a month, what are my next steps? What do I do at that point to get them to stop reporting? Do i just dispute with the CRAs then, claiming that the CA could not validate? There really needs to be more caselaw on the DV subject. Also, can I even legally demand a DV since its been more than 30 days from the DOFD? They claim they sent me bills, but I swear I never received them. The man I spoke with on the phone also claims to have made telephone contact with me in 2005, but i don't see how that's possible since i don't remember anything about this. My EXTREMELY accurate financial records date back to 2004, so i cannot imagine how i could have known about this and not have some record of it in my files somewhere. I am very certain that this is the first i've heard of it, but does that mean i can DV or not? If i can't, should i skip straight to pfd then? ahhhhh, this is all so complicated. Here is my plan. DV, PFD, pay, dispute with CRA, then wait out the 2.5 years i have left before deletion if i can't have it removed. Does this order/approach make sense? There seems to be a lot of widely varying opinions on what to do.
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@Anonymous wrote:
I want to DV a CA for an account from 2003 that i didn't know about until i ordered my CRs last week. But I'm a lil confused about the process, and the DV link i found honestly kind of confused me more. lol. What i got from the link was that they have to validate, but they can ignore me for years if they want to and then do it, and there's nothing clarifying what validation means so.... Where does that leave me when they don't respond or just send me a bill? What are my next steps? I assumed that validation meant sending me a copy of a signed document stating that I was taking responsibility for the medical services provided, which i seriously doubt they could come up with. But if the law doesn't say that's what they have to provide me with, what's to stop them with providing me with, say, a letter from the OC claiming I owe them money or something? And if I don't hear back from them in a month, what are my next steps? What do I do at that point to get them to stop reporting? Do i just dispute with the CRAs then, claiming that the CA could not validate? There really needs to be more caselaw on the DV subject. Also, can I even legally demand a DV since its been more than 30 days from the DOFD? They claim they sent me bills, but I swear I never received them. The man I spoke with on the phone also claims to have made telephone contact with me in 2005, but i don't see how that's possible since i don't remember anything about this. My EXTREMELY accurate financial records date back to 2004, so i cannot imagine how i could have known about this and not have some record of it in my files somewhere. I am very certain that this is the first i've heard of it, but does that mean i can DV or not? If i can't, should i skip straight to pfd then? ahhhhh, this is all so complicated. Here is my plan. DV, PFD, pay, dispute with CRA, then wait out the 2.5 years i have left before deletion if i can't have it removed. Does this order/approach make sense? There seems to be a lot of widely varying opinions on what to do.



Yes you can DV. Simply state in your DV letter that the 1st time you have seen or heard of the debt is when you pulled your credit report. JDBs are notorious for never contacting people and simply placing collections on their CRAs.

Send the DV and make them prove they are the ones you should be dealing with.
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what would be considered proof that i should be dealing with them? What should I do if they can't prove it? Contact the CRA? The OC? I'm so confused as to next steps.
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After you send a DV   CMRRR. They have 30 days to send you validation. They may not report to CRA,send you bills or anything else UNTIL they validate it. If it takes 2 years & they do not validate it, they can not report to CRA.
 
They will try & report so you have to stay on top of it.
 
Always keep in mind you state SOL. when dealing with a CA .If SOL is not past CA or a OC  might file a law suit against you.
 
 
ONE step at a time mommy, or it will drive you nuts!


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@Anonymous wrote:
what would be considered proof that i should be dealing with them? What should I do if they can't prove it? Contact the CRA? The OC? I'm so confused as to next steps.





I've heard people say just say I disagree and say send me proof. I've also heard people say spell out everything you want as proof. It is my understanding that if you specifically ask for something as proof the CA must provide it. Is this accurate....I don't know. The only 3 DV letters I sent went to a JDB and they were extremely specific and long. All 3 were deleted. However I know others who sent basic DVs to this same place that had the same results I did.

No matter what you send, make sure you send it CMRRR and KEEP the green card. The dispute it with the CRA and if within 5 days of the CA receiving the DV they do not mark your report as disputed, they have committed a violation. If they validate to the CRA without giving you your response, they have created another violation.
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Thanks, that was helpful! Do you know of any sample DV letters? I would like to sound as professional and cut-throat as possible. From my experience with this CA in the few phone calls I've made, they are either very uninformed or trying very hard to take advantage of unwitting consumers... I want them to know I mean business. I hope I have the same luck you did! If I DV and they don't respond and I have it removed until they validate... Am i taking a risk that it will show back up on my report in 2 years when they randomly remember to validate? Not likely, but you never know.
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I sent out a DV 7/13 and asked for..documentation with my signiture---complete account history and everything else that was on this site,under DV letters,
 
No answer as of yet. I do have them on violation as they reported to the CRA...AFTER they signed for the CMRRR
 
I have faxed copies of DV letter, and GC....I asked them to delete as obsolete. They are due to fall in a few months.
 
I myself NEVER talk to a CA on the phone!!!
 
did you check your state SOL????


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@Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, that was helpful! Do you know of any sample DV letters? I would like to sound as professional and cut-throat as possible. From my experience with this CA in the few phone calls I've made, they are either very uninformed or trying very hard to take advantage of unwitting consumers... I want them to know I mean business. I hope I have the same luck you did! If I DV and they don't respond and I have it removed until they validate... Am i taking a risk that it will show back up on my report in 2 years when they randomly remember to validate? Not likely, but you never know.



Nothing says the CA has to validate within any specific time. It could be 1 day or 10 years BUT they can't contact you, report on you or make any other collection activities until they do validate. Also if you DV and they don't reply and then sell the account to another CA and they try to collect or report on you, it's a violation against the 1st CA as well.

I basically searched CIC, here and CB and took a little from each one and made my own letter. BTW I made the form part of the letter myself Smiley Happy

Here's exactly what I sent the last time. Like I said some may think this is a waste but it worked FOR ME last time:



Palisades Collection LLC
210 Sylvan Avenue
Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632


July 16, 2007

Re: Collection Account #: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


To Whom It May Concern:

This letter is being sent to you in response to an entry made on my TransUnion credit report dated July 16, 2007. Be advised that this is not a refusal to pay, but a notice sent pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 1: ) USC 1692g Sec. 809 (b) that your claim is disputed and validation is requested.

Under the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act, I have the right to request validation of the debt you say I owe you. I am requesting proof that I am indeed the party you are asking to pay this debt, and there is some contractual obligation which is binding on me to pay this debt. This is NOT a request for “verification” or proof of my mailing address, but a request for VALIDATION made pursuant to the above named Title and Section of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

You should also be aware that reporting inaccurate and unsubstantiated information to a credit reporting agency might constitute fraud under federal law. Additionally, you should also be aware that sending unsubstantiated demands for payment through the United States Mail System might constitute mail fraud under federal and state law. Your legal staff will agree that compliance with this request is required under the laws of Pennsylvania and federal statutes.

In addition to the debt validation form below, please attach copies of:

1. Agreement with your client that grants you the authority to collect on this alleged
debt, or proof of acquisition by purchase or assignment.

2. Agreement that bears the signature of the alleged debtor wherein he or she agreed to
pay the creditor.


I require compliance with the terms and conditions of this letter within 30 days or a complete withdrawal, in writing, of any claim. In the event of noncompliance, I reserve the right to file charges and/or complaints with appropriate county, state and federal authorities as well as the Better Business Bureau for violations of the FDCPA, FCRA, and federal and state statutes on fraudulent extortion.

I also hereby reserve my right to take private civil action against you to recover damages.


Sincerely,


bamf70



Debt Validation Form



1. Name of the original creditor: ____________________

2. Original creditor account number: ____________________

3. Date you acquired this debt: ____________________

4, Balance of original account: ____________________

5 Detailed explanation of how you have calculated the amount of the debt being
claimed as currently due ($xxxx) if this amount is different from the original balance
reported by the original creditor: ________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________________________


6. Have any insurance claims been made by any creditor or assignee regarding this
account? (Circle one only) YES / NO

7. Has the purported balanced of this account been used in any tax deduction claim?
(Circle one only) YES / NO

8 . This debt was: (Circle one only) Assigned / Purchased

9. If Purchased from whom: ____________________



I certify that Palisades Collection LLC has obtained all information for this verification from the original creditor as required by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, 1: ) USC 1692g Sec. 809 (b).

_________________________________________ ____________ _________
Authorized signature for Palisades Collection LLC Signee’s Title Date

Please return this signed completed form and attach all assignment or other transfer agreements that would establish your right to collect this debt. Your claim cannot be considered if any portion of this form is not completed and returned with the required documents. This is a request for validation made pursuant to the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. If you do not respond as required by this law, your claim will not be considered and you may be liable for damages for continued collection efforts.

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Message Edited by bamf70 on 08-04-2007 09:44 PM
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OMG BAM   I could have used this when I sent my DV   GREAT LETTER!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am also fighting with Palisades.
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@Anonymous wrote:
OMG BAM I could have used this when I sent my DV GREAT LETTER!!!!!!!!!!
I am also fighting with Palisades.





Like I said, I wish I could take credit for it but it was nothing more than a compilation of about 20 different letters I saw. The form is basically everything I had seen requested on a DV letter combined into 1 form.

Good luck with Pallisades Happy, they are total scumbags. I saw the entries on my report through TC on a Monday. Sent this letter CMRRR on Tues. They signed for it Thurs. I got the green card on SAT. When I checked my TC on Sat the entries were GONE.
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