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Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@Anonymous wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:


I disagree with most of the advice you are being given here. It is all great advice for FICO 8 scores, but your biggest concern is your mortgage scores, which are not as reactive to percentage changes in dollars utilization as they are to changes in the number of accounts with balances. Quickly picking up 2 zero balances with the $1500 -- dropping the percentage of cards with balances from 66 2/3% to 33 1/3% will give your mortgage scores a nice boost!


Not necessarily, SJ.  I proved the opposite about a month ago if you recall when going from AZEO to all of my cards with balances and 2 out of 3 of my FICO 8 scores moved more than 2 out of 3 of my mortgage scores.  Only my EX 5 score was impacted significantly.  After some discussion with TT, it was determined that my lack of an inquiry in the last 12 months was likely the reason.  My question then to the OP becomes whether or not he has an inquiry in the last 12 months... because if he doesn't, it's possible that his EX/TU mortgage scores aren't likely to be impacted much by number of accounts with balances.


In my profile, my EX FICO 2 keeps gaining & losing 11 points each time I oscillate past 40% of accounts with balances. FICO 8 has no reaction at all. If the OP uses his $1500 to knock off those 2 smaller balances, he will be going from 66 2/3% to 33 1/3%, which means passing 40% in the good way.

 

I believe @Revelate observed a similar FICO 2 threshold at 20%.

 

 


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?

Right, but don't both of you have inquiries from the last 12 months?  I don't, so comparing yours/Rev's data to mine would be apples to oranges.  My question is whether or not the OP has an inquriry from the last 12 months, because if not his scores may react more like mine and if so, they could react more like yours.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@Anonymous wrote:

Right, but don't both of you have inquiries from the last 12 months?  I don't, so comparing yours/Rev's data to mine would be apples to oranges.  My question is whether or not the OP has an inquriry from the last 12 months, because if not his scores may react more like mine and if so, they could react more like yours.


Well I don't know if this theory about hard pulls is gospel just yet. I know it's from our revered @Thomas_Thumb but I don't know if he's got it locked down as a certainty.

 

I have a certain skepticism about it, because I can't see any logic in creating a connection between recent inquiries and number of accounts with balances.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Remedios
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?

I think perhaps heavy duty shop talk should be reserved for a different thread unless OP got their questions answered. 

 

The knowledge  you guys have is truly great, but can be overwhelming for someone new. 

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@Remedios wrote:

I think perhaps heavy duty shop talk should be reserved for a different thread unless OP got their questions answered. 

 

The knowledge  you guys have is truly great, but can be overwhelming for someone new. 


Good point Smiley Happy Thanks.

 

 


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?

Yes, I do have an inquiry in the past 12 months. 

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@Anonymous wrote:

Yes, I do have an inquiry in the past 12 months. 


OK, then even if the no-inquiry theory holds true, your best bet is reducing number of accounts with balances. I.e. zeroing out those 2 smaller ones.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?

Would I have much luck getting cap1 to remove the 30 day late? I don't recall the situation exactly, but I'm pretty sure I had just switched banks from chase to well fargo and I thought I set up auto pay. Obviously I didn't...

 

1. How do I write that in such a way that is compelling/effective/produces the outcome I'm looking for? I've heard cap1 RARELY removes negatives.

2. Who do I even send that request to?

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Anonymous
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@Anonymous wrote:

Would I have much luck getting cap1 to remove the 30 day late? I don't recall the situation exactly, but I'm pretty sure I had just switched banks from chase to well fargo and I thought I set up auto pay. Obviously I didn't...

 

1. How do I write that in such a way that is compelling/effective/produces the outcome I'm looking for? I've heard cap1 RARELY removes negatives.

2. Who do I even send that request to?


You're going to need to head over to the rebuilding forum and do some reading there.  You'll find everything from GW letter examples, mailing addresses, tips/tricks, etc.

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Anonymous
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Re: Help Needed - How should I pay off debt for credit score increase?


@SouthJamaica wrote:

I have a certain skepticism about it, because I can't see any logic in creating a connection between recent inquiries and number of accounts with balances.


I suppose I can indirectly.  If someone has a [relatively] recent request for credit it exhibits a slightly heightened risk factor, one that could give additional signal strength to the category of number of accounts with balances, as for the same reason that could be (and is) seen as a heightened risk factor when it comes to FICO scoring. 

 

Overall I think number of accounts with balances in and of itself is just a silly metric, as someone can be at 100% of accounts with balances like I am right now, but if they're a Transactor and pay off their full statement balances monthly they represent the lowest possible risk.  I suppose carrying a balance on a 0% offer throws a wrench into that equation to some degree, but still number of accounts with a balance IMO matters next to nothing if someone is PIF every cycle.

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