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Hey Guys,
I tried searching but could not find much information and hope I am posting in the right catagory. I am in the garden until at least Christmas time letting some of my recent inquries and new accounts age. When I go on my next spree I would really like to get a line of credit (would like $25k) that I can write checks with etc and leverage to add extra investments and pay off after a few months. Can you all tell me who offers this and if you believe I could be approved?
My current stats are 30k of total credit, 15% utilization that should be lower by then, $150 in disputed collections that I am working on that are from 2008, no late payments or negative factors otherwise. No car payments, housing bills, mortgage etc my AAOA will be over 5 years by thena nd my base income (really much higher after side work thank God) is $74k.
Thanks in advance! ![]()
I know wells fargo use to offer unsecured personal lines of credits, but I don't know if they still do. My local CU offers them as well.
Thanks for the quick reply Samsung! Looking forward to seeing what ideas others have!
I would like to also ask are they as easy to get as a CC without having to jump through hoops with verifcations and all of that? I am guessing each bank is different?
LOCs are widely available from banks and CUs, and the terms and rates vary with the lender.
A typical APR is around 10-15%.
Since an LOC offers immediate access to cash, often without any fees, it might be a bit tougher to qualify for the LOC.
There are lots of CUs without any cash advance fees on their CCs, and for them, this setup is similar to an LOC.
For example, I can log into my PSECU account and move money from my Visa to checking, without any fees, and with a 9.9% APR.
User the no cash advance fee way on a CC is a great idea too. What % of your credit limit will they allow for the cash advance?
@signaturecardmember wrote:User the no cash advance fee way on a CC is a great idea too. What % of your credit limit will they allow for the cash advance?
The percentage varies widely.
I don't recall seeing a percentage listed for my PSECU card, so I assume it's 100%.
However, since CCs and LOCs are revolving lines of credit, maxing them will hurt your utilization and scores, and maybe cause the lender to eventually get tired of you.
If I wanted to set up a line of credit that I could draw on for non-emergency purposes, and then pay back in a short amount of time, I'd probably try to get an LOC with a high limit, or else an HELOC, or else set up a savings account with the funds.
I'd try to avoid taking frequent cash advances or maxing a low-CL LOC.
Credit Unions are ideal for this since many (all of mine for example) allow you to use 100% of your credit card's credit line for cash advances and have no cash advance transaction fee or special cash advance APR. The main problem is that many credit unions have membership requirements (e.g. must live in a certain area). I aim for cards and LOC with APRs below 9% (assuming 740+ fico).
Currently I have Western CC (8.9% for the $0 cash advance card, up to 50K) plus a LOC (6.75% up to 25K) which is open to anyone. I also have Boeing Employees Credit Union accounts, which has limited membership, and offers 25K CC with no cash advance fee (6.9% APR) and a 25K LOC with 8.9% APR.
Others that I have on my list for future apps that you should check out are: Wescom CU, Apple FCU, Northwest FCU, ABCO FCU, Congressional FCU, Wright -Patt CU, Coastal 24, Andrews FCU, Chartway FCU, Rancho FCU, CU of New Jersey, DCU.
Other credit unions (and double check the ones I have listed) may have uncapped cash advance fees and higher rates for cash advance APRs so make sure you check the Credit Card rate and fee disclosure for any cards you are thinking to apply for.
I'm in Southern California, so around here, there are some mass afluent [wikipedia.org] banks that might be interesting if you had more income: City National Bank, First Republic. They have a few locations outside of California in a few wealthy places.
Here, Wells Fargo rates aren't impressive, and I hear bad stories about denials or poor rates based on lack of existing relationship so I don't bother, but you can try your zipcode in their interest rate calculator and maybe you're in a more competitive area for them: https://www.wellsfargo.com/personal_credit/rate_payments/rate_calc_main
Hey Slick, that was a great list you put together! I will def go through them.
I am open to WF since they are big and have branches close to me but you are right, their rates appear high and I have had a bad expierience with them in the past.
Western sounds great, I could def hit the 740 threshold as I was just at 745 before my recent app spree and will probably be higher once my new AMEX backdating goes through. Could you please tell me your stats to get those limits with Western: income, score, available credit, AAOA, util %, your other CLs etc?
I think Western (and many credit unions) are a bit simpler than the stats you listed. Being small organizations, they don't have a bunch of employees coming up with their own risk models (versus what you might have at a big bank like Chase), so that's why they're paying Fair Isaac for the FICO score. As a result, I think the APR is often entirely set based on FICO (740 on EXP at Western was the top rate when I called in the past). You can call many credit unions, and while their front line bank or customer service reps might not know (and you'll get the cop out, "We consider a lot of factors!") answer, their more experienced loan officers or analysts will tell you what FICO you need for the best rates.
Size of the credit line issued to you is much more subjective and dependent on the credit analyst you get. I have high income, so that's never a problem. Many credit unions care about their own experience with you, and won't give you the highest credit line you qualify for right away. Since I already had a small personal loan (10K) and an auto loan (5K) for a short time with no problem paying, I got a 30K credit card when I first applied at Western. I waited until I had a fico of just over 740 to apply since that's what they told me that I needed for the best rate. I suspect it would have been more like 10k or 15K if it was the first account I had with them. After that, adding a LOC and growing the CC was based on how long I had the previous account.. e.g. They would like to see you manage what you have for around 1 year before raising it. I would guess that 10K or 15K annual increases per account is typical if your income supports it, even if your FICO was more like 700 (though the higher the FICO, the higher the increase).
More recently, I applied to a couple of credit unions while taking advantage of a lot of 0% APR offers (hurting my utilization %, size of debt, and FICO).
At BECU, I think my FICO was just over 700, and I was initially offered 15K on the credit card and 15K on the LOC. The interest rates were ~2% higher than their best rate since my FICO was not above 740. I'll apply for a credit limit increase next time my score is over 740, and I bet they will give their max credit lines (25K each) for the CC and LOC + best apr.
A few months later, with an even lower FICO I tried at Apple FCU (TU 675), State Department FCU (EX 705), and DCU (EQ 671) and got nothing. Their listed reasons were "Amount owed on Revolving Accounts", "Number of recent accounts", "Proportion of balances to credit limits too high on revolving accounts" respectively.
So back to your situation based on my experience and what I hear from others..
For a typical mass market bank or credit union, I often hear between 25% and 50% of a person's income as the maximum amount of credit they will extend to a person. However, I also think it's hard to get more than 10K or 15K per credit line at a bank that you have no previous history with, even if your FICO and income support it. As a result, I think you can grow your credit line at a bank to get 25K+, but if you want it immediately from new banks, you'll probably need to apply to more than one bank or multiple products (cc + loc). However, I think its nice to spread my eggs around a bit since it will give plenty of opportunities to grow the lines (without adding new accounts) and give access to the special promotions various banks/CU offer from time to time.
Very helpful again slick, thanks!
I am going to mainly focus on getting several of these next app spree in 6 months. I might have to do one last HP for BOA to give me a CLI I have been discussing witht hem. Other then that gardening until then ![]()