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2b2rich
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Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

(Edited to add more info:

My post isn't a Question of whether I should refinance right now or not.  I have my reasons, I've done this a few times before and understand the pros and cons.  While I appreciate the responses, I feel like all of the rate questions are taking my post away from my question.  Thank you for understanding this.

I should have been more clear with the details.  I have a VA loan and would like to refinance through an IRRL streamline.  I filed BK7 that was discharged (january will be 3 years) and did not reconfirm the existing mortgage so it no longer reports, so I have no mortgage on my reports either.  I won't be using a conventional and I do not want to touch my equity.  My original mortgage was with Veteran's United and I really liked them but after a few years they transfered the mortgage to another servicer.  The VA only requires a 2 year waiting period but lenders who have longer waits can go by theirs (like NavFed is 4 years).  VU and a few others use the VA's 2 year wait period.)

 

I'm applying for a refinance on my home but I'm only 3 years (Jan 7) past discharge. I had applied online and paid a $20 credit report charge and then it said a Loan officer would be in touch with me.  Then she told me that their requirement is 4 years past discharge Smiley Sad 

 

She said that they have the power to make exceptions but wanted me to know that the  BK time would be the thing that could  break the deal.  I told her that I had paid for the credit pull and might as well try and she is now putting it all together to submit for me.

 

Has anyone here been approved by NFCU for a refinance (not originally with NFCU) with only 3 years past discharge?  I think I've been a good customer of theres for several years and have had an auto loan with them and another one approved but I went with another lender on that vehicle, also their Signature Visa that just had a CLI to $5K.  Not sure what my mortgage scores are, but my revolving credit utilization is less than 15%.

Fico 8's:

Equifax: 685

TU: (will update this, it's about the same as the others)

Ex: 673

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Revelate
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/Selling-Guide/Origination-thru-Closing/Subpart-B3-Underwriting-B...

That's pretty reference for a conventional loan.  I didn't bother reading into what justified as extenuating circumantaces but this is a thing.

 

May I ask why you are trying to refinance in this current rate environment?  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me for any mortgage underwritten before the massive spike in rates.

 

Unfortunately NCFU and everyone else has great leeway on their credit card products compared to mortgage underwriting which is pretty much dictated by the GSEs or FHA as third parities.  NFCU isn't going to portfolio most of their mortgages and so they don't have the option of doing something different, good customer or not TBH.

 

I'm even sure they'd like to help but if you don't meet the extenuating conditions very few will play ball.  I'd be looking at a HELOC personally if I needed to leverage the equity.




        
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2b2rich
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy


@Revelate wrote:

https://selling-guide.fanniemae.com/Selling-Guide/Origination-thru-Closing/Subpart-B3-Underwriting-B...

That's pretty reference for a conventional loan.  I didn't bother reading into what justified as extenuating circumantaces but this is a thing.

 

May I ask why you are trying to refinance in this current rate environment?  Doesn't make a lot of sense to me for any mortgage underwritten before the massive spike in rates.

 

Unfortunately NCFU and everyone else has great leeway on their credit card products compared to mortgage underwriting which is pretty much dictated by the GSEs or FHA as third parities.  NFCU isn't going to portfolio most of their mortgages and so they don't have the option of doing something different, good customer or not TBH.

 

I'm even sure they'd like to help but if you don't meet the extenuating conditions very few will play ball.  I'd be looking at a HELOC personally if I needed to leverage the equity.


My apologies, i should have been more clear and will update this post.  I have a VA loan and would like to refinance through an IRRL streamline.  I filed BK7 that was discharged (january will be 3 years) and did not reconfirm the existing mortgage so it no longer reports, so I have no mortgage on my reports either.  I won't be using a conventional and I do not want to touch my equity.  My original mortgage was with Veteran's United and I really liked them but after a few years they transfered the mortgage to another servicer.  The VA only requires a 2 year waiting period but lenders who have longer waits can go by theirs (like NavFed is 4 years).  VU and a few others use the VA's 2 year wait period.

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MortgageMama
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

Sounds like NCFU has lender overlays from what is actually the minimum wait period or 2 years, per VA guidelines. Did they give you any guidance as to what would allow them to get an exception done? Some lenders allow for exceptions if there are other strengths to the loan file. i.e. Credit score above X number, DTI not more than X%, LTV not more than XX%.  Did they give you any guidance as to what they would allow? 

Also, does NCFU allow for extenuating circumstances? It's pretty cumbersome to prove the extenuating circumstances because the reason for the event, in your case the BK, has to be a pretty catastrophic life event.

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Revelate
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

I don't know current VA loan rates but are they really less than what you are paying now?  Google suggests 6.2% or so VA and rates have not been that high for a while.

 

A bad servicer is not a good reason to refinance if it's going to cost you non-trivial cash.  Nor is trying to get a mortgage on your credit reports... my mortgage is really the only thing holding me back from the pointless 850.

 

 




        
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2b2rich
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy


@Revelate wrote:

I don't know current VA loan rates but are they really less than what you are paying now?  Google suggests 6.2% or so VA and rates have not been that high for a while.

 

A bad servicer is not a good reason to refinance if it's going to cost you non-trivial cash.  Nor is trying to get a mortgage on your credit reports... my mortgage is really the only thing holding me back from the pointless 850.

 

 


Neither of these apply, but thanks anyway.  I mentioned that I have no mortgage loan reporting because I felt it was relevant and would make a difference to the underwriter. Sort of like when you apply for an auto loan and they want to see recent auto loan history.   As for why I am looking to refinance my home, I have weighed to pros and cons of the rates, etc and have my reasons for wanting to refinance.  Thank you for the info.

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2b2rich
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy


@MortgageMama wrote:

Sounds like NCFU has lender overlays from what is actually the minimum wait period or 2 years, per VA guidelines. Did they give you any guidance as to what would allow them to get an exception done? Some lenders allow for exceptions if there are other strengths to the loan file. i.e. Credit score above X number, DTI not more than X%, LTV not more than XX%.  Did they give you any guidance as to what they would allow? 

Also, does NCFU allow for extenuating circumstances? It's pretty cumbersome to prove the extenuating circumstances because the reason for the event, in your case the BK, has to be a pretty catastrophic life event.


Yes, that's what I'm seeing.  Their perogative and I understand that.  She said that my relationship history and previous auto loans and banking would be a positive, but stopped short of saying it would sway them.  I have all of my statements for the past 3 years where I've paid my mortgage on time but they only asked for the previous 6 months.

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MortgageMama
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

Come back and let us know if the exception was granted. Thank you!

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Mortgage-Specialist
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy

I'm the current offered interest rate at least a half percent less than your current rate? 

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2b2rich
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Re: Navy Federal's 4 year requirement after bankruptcy


@MortgageMama wrote:

Come back and let us know if the exception was granted. Thank you!


I just received a conditional approval and appears that the conditions are:  I need to provide a copy of my currently paid hazards and possibly a termite inspection, but that one states 'if applicable' so I will need to ask the Loan Officer.

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