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2b2rich
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually super stressd about a similar situation. Me and my Husband are getting a Loan through Chase (First time Buyers) We both have bank accounts at Chase. My bank account has no money in it at all. My Husband's account is the one that has all the money and where the monthly mortage will deducted. I've had a lot of Overdraft fees with chase in the last year. My score is 750 and DTI ratio is not to bad. 


Have you already appliled for the mortgage?  If you're still 'preparing' to apply, you may want to either close that bank account or wait until January when the total at the bottom of your bank statement resets to '0' for number of overdrafts. Just a thought.  I'm not sure how many 'a lot' is that you're referring to, but more than a couple without a good explanation, from what I've read in here,  could be a deal breaker, no matter how good yours or your husband's credit is.  

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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually super stressd about a similar situation. Me and my Husband are getting a Loan through Chase (First time Buyers) We both have bank accounts at Chase. My bank account has no money in it at all. My Husband's account is the one that has all the money and where the monthly mortage will deducted. I've had a lot of Overdraft fees with chase in the last year. My score is 750 and DTI ratio is not to bad. 


Don't waste your time with Chase.  They take a lot of  applications but never close half of them.  

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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@2b2rich wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually super stressd about a similar situation. Me and my Husband are getting a Loan through Chase (First time Buyers) We both have bank accounts at Chase. My bank account has no money in it at all. My Husband's account is the one that has all the money and where the monthly mortage will deducted. I've had a lot of Overdraft fees with chase in the last year. My score is 750 and DTI ratio is not to bad. 


Have you already appliled for the mortgage?  If you're still 'preparing' to apply, you may want to either close that bank account or wait until January when the total at the bottom of your bank statement resets to '0' for number of overdrafts. Just a thought.  I'm not sure how many 'a lot' is that you're referring to, but more than a couple without a good explanation, from what I've read in here,  could be a deal breaker, no matter how good yours or your husband's credit is.  

The Loan already was sent to the Under Writer. I assuming it won't get approved. We switched to Chase when the lender we were using wanted to give us a 4.5 interest rate and we wanted 4.1 interest rate. Chase offered us closing costs with a 4.1 interest rate. I regretted going with them once I realized they would have access to my bank account (where the previous lender only asked for my husbands bank statments as assessts)  I e-mailed the loan offer asking him if they were going to look at my Bank account  becuase it wasn't up to par andhe wrote back : "It doesn’t matter.  Assets are viewed in total.  Just because you don’t keep a lot in your account has no bearing on anything." To answer your question I have more then 10 overdrafts this year :/ its horrible I know :/ My husband who is the main borrower has no overdrafts. 

 

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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm actually super stressd about a similar situation. Me and my Husband are getting a Loan through Chase (First time Buyers) We both have bank accounts at Chase. My bank account has no money in it at all. My Husband's account is the one that has all the money and where the monthly mortage will deducted. I've had a lot of Overdraft fees with chase in the last year. My score is 750 and DTI ratio is not to bad. 


Don't waste your time with Chase.  They take a lot of  applications but never close half of them.  


The loan was already sent to the Under Writer. I wish I would have thought things through before considering Chase. They seem very strict :/

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StartingOver10
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting

I hope the mortgage you are seeking from Chase is not an FHA loan....take a look at this article

http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/news/compliance/jpmorgan-leads-big-banks-out-the-door-of-fha-106...

 

Here is a portion of the article (red is my emphasis):

......

Nowhere is that reality clearer than at JPMorgan Chase.

Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Dimon warned last year that the risks of FHA lending were just too great.

"The real question for me is should we be in the FHA business at all," Dimon said on a conference call with analysts in July 2014. "Until they come up with a safe harbor or something, we are going to be very, very cautious in that line of business."

He meant it.

In the second quarter, JPMorgan Chase originated just 340 FHA loans, compared with 19,111 FHA loans in the second quarter of 2013. Meanwhile, the bank's overall home lending business is booming. JPMorgan originated $29.3 billion of home loans in the second quarter, up 74% from a year earlier.

Figures were not yet available for the full third quarter, but JPMorgan originated 97 FHA loans in July and August, according to the center's data.

JPMorgan is trying to reduce the risks of lending to borrowers with low credit scores and potentially greater chance that the loans will go bad.

Amy Bonitatibus, a spokeswoman for JPMorgan, said the company has significantly reduced FHA lending over the last year due to "the litigation risks, high costs to service and high delinquency rates."

"We offer products that meet the needs for people across the credit spectrum with a focus on sustainable homeownership," she said. "This is part of our ongoing strategy to simplify our mortgage business and focus on high quality originations."

FHA lending is a particularly thorny issue not just because of the high penalties for mistakes on FHA-insured loans. Any pullback in lending to FHA borrowers with lower credit scores invokes concerns that credit could be restricted to minority groups.

Earlier this month, Wells Fargo, the largest U.S. home lender, tightened credit score requirements on FHA loans. Wells raised minimum credit scores to 640 in its retail channel, up from 600. Wells did so after the FHA recently proposed to keep its current policy on loan-level certification when many in the industry were hoping for changes.

Banks maintain that the FHA's proposal did not go far enough in limiting the government's use of the False Claims Act, a Civil War-era law that allows the Justice Department to collect triple damages if a bank has violated the FHA's underwriting standards.

The proposal requires that lenders perform a so-called "pre-endorsement review" of all FHA home loans and certify that each loan submitted for FHA insurance contains no defects. Mortgage lenders have long tried to limit their liability only to material defects on FHA-insured loans. But as the proposal now stands, inaccuracies, inconsistencies or even minor mistakes can still result in substantial fines and penalties.

"The view of lenders is that the proposal leaves in place the current standard of strict liability, so that any mistake whatsoever can trigger a False Claims Act liability," said Jim Parrott, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute and owner of Falling Creek Advisors, a consulting firm in Chapel Hill, N.C.

Parrott, a former senior advisor to the National Economic Council, said banks like Wells are saying that "we can't take the risk anymore and we're pulling back."

B of A, Citigroup, JPMorgan and U.S. Bancorp have all settled claims that they improperly approved FHA-insured loans that did not meet the agency's underwriting standards.

But plenty of others, including Wells Fargo, Quicken Loans, PNC Financial Services Group, Regions and BB&T still have outstanding investigations of FHA loans, according to company filings.

Wells Fargo's FHA market share has fallen by more than half in the past two years. Wells' share fell to 15% in the second quarter, from 32.4% in the same period in 2013. U.S. Bancorp was one of the few banks to see an increase in its FHA market share during the two-year period ended June 30, to 8.2% from 7.9% two years ago; however, its number of FHA loans and market share fluctuated considerably during that time period.

Both B of A and Citi group have less than 1% FHA market share, though they had not been big players before.

Overall, large banks' share of FHA-insured purchase-only home loans has dropped sharply since February. Large banks originated 23.5% of FHA loans in August, down from 29.6% in February and 65.4% in November 2012, when AEI first began tracking the data.

However, nonbank rivals have stepped into the void.

Nonbanks' share jumped to 68% in August, up from 62.2% in February and 26.8% in November 2012, virtually replacing the share ceded by large banks.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting

Op, it's not the end of the world if you get denied by Chase. There are plenty of lenders that will work with you. We initially got denied by Freedom Bank for that very reason - overdrafts. Our LO shopped out mortgage to another lender and we've been through the first round of UW with a conditional approval and all we had to do was write an LoE. The rate was high 4.5% but we are buying a new house and with seller concessions we were able to buy down to 4.1% pretty cheaply to use those all up.
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Anonymous
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting

Worse comes to worse you are already at the end of the year so January 1 you get a whole new bank statement with zero ODs.
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2b2rich
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@Anonymous wrote:
The Loan already was sent to the Under Writer. I assuming it won't get approved. We switched to Chase when the lender we were using wanted to give us a 4.5 interest rate and we wanted 4.1 interest rate. Chase offered us closing costs with a 4.1 interest rate. I regretted going with them once I realized they would have access to my bank account (where the previous lender only asked for my husbands bank statments as assessts)  I e-mailed the loan offer asking him if they were going to look at my Bank account  becuase it wasn't up to par andhe wrote back : "It doesn’t matter.  Assets are viewed in total.  Just because you don’t keep a lot in your account has no bearing on anything." To answer your question I have more then 10 overdrafts this year :/ its horrible I know :/ My husband who is the main borrower has no overdrafts. 

As someone else pointed out, it's not impossible to get approved with some lenders, but I don't know that JP Morgan will be the ones with that many.  I'm almost certain that any lender who will work with those, is going to want LOE for them, and you will have to convince them that OD are a thing of the past, and how you plan to prevent this from happening again.

 

As myself and another has also pointed out, after December, the tally at the bottom of your bank statement that states how many OD you've had YTD, will reset to zero and you can start fresh and hopefully you won't have any more of those.  

 

Keep in mind, that if things go south with this loan, and you do decide to try again this year, going forward any UW might want a LOE for the mortgage pull(s) you've already had and want to know what the end result of that was (appraisal fell short, you were denied (and why), did you just back out, etc).  Maybe not, but just mentioning it so you can be prepared.

 

Good luck!

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Anonymous
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Re: Overdraft fees and Going to Underwriting


@StartingOver10 wrote:

I hope the mortgage you are seeking from Chase is not an FHA loan....take a look at this article

http://www.nationalmortgagenews.com/news/compliance/jpmorgan-leads-big-banks-out-the-door-of-fha-106...

 

Here is a portion of the article (red is my emphasis):

......

Nowhere is that reality clearer than at JPMorgan Chase.

Chairman and Chief Executive Jamie Dimon warned last year that the risks of FHA lending were just too great.

"The real question for me is should we be in the FHA business at all," Dimon said on a conference call with analysts in July 2014. "Until they come up with a safe harbor or something, we are going to be very, very cautious in that line of business."

He meant it.

In the second quarter, JPMorgan Chase originated just 340 FHA loans, compared with 19,111 FHA loans in the second quarter of 2013. Meanwhile, the bank's overall home lending business is booming. JPMorgan originated $29.3 billion of home loans in the second quarter, up 74% from a year earlier.

Figures were not yet available for the full third quarter, but JPMorgan originated 97 FHA loans in July and August, according to the center's data.

JPMorgan is trying to reduce the risks of lending to borrowers with low credit scores and potentially greater chance that the loans will go bad.

Amy Bonitatibus, a spokeswoman for JPMorgan, said the company has significantly reduced FHA lending over the last year due to "the litigation risks, high costs to service and high delinquency rates."

"We offer products that meet the needs for people across the credit spectrum with a focus on sustainable homeownership," she said. "This is part of our ongoing strategy to simplify our mortgage business and focus on high quality originations."

FHA lending is a particularly thorny issue not just because of the high penalties for mistakes on FHA-insured loans. Any pullback in lending to FHA borrowers with lower credit scores invokes concerns that credit could be restricted to minority groups.

Earlier this month, Wells Fargo, the largest U.S. home lender, tightened credit score requirements on FHA loans. Wells raised minimum credit scores to 640 in its retail channel, up from 600. Wells did so after the FHA recently proposed to keep its current policy on loan-level certification when many in the industry were hoping for changes.

Banks maintain that the FHA's proposal did not go far enough in limiting the government's use of the False Claims Act, a Civil War-era law that allows the Justice Department to collect triple damages if a bank has violated the FHA's underwriting standards.

The proposal requires that lenders perform a so-called "pre-endorsement review" of all FHA home loans and certify that each loan submitted for FHA insurance contains no defects. Mortgage lenders have long tried to limit their liability only to material defects on FHA-insured loans. But as the proposal now stands, inaccuracies, inconsistencies or even minor mistakes can still result in substantial fines and penalties.

"The view of lenders is that the proposal leaves in place the current standard of strict liability, so that any mistake whatsoever can trigger a False Claims Act liability," said Jim Parrott, a senior fellow at the Urban Institute and owner of Falling Creek Advisors, a consulting firm in Chapel Hill, N.C.

Parrott, a former senior advisor to the National Economic Council, said banks like Wells are saying that "we can't take the risk anymore and we're pulling back."

B of A, Citigroup, JPMorgan and U.S. Bancorp have all settled claims that they improperly approved FHA-insured loans that did not meet the agency's underwriting standards.

But plenty of others, including Wells Fargo, Quicken Loans, PNC Financial Services Group, Regions and BB&T still have outstanding investigations of FHA loans, according to company filings.

Wells Fargo's FHA market share has fallen by more than half in the past two years. Wells' share fell to 15% in the second quarter, from 32.4% in the same period in 2013. U.S. Bancorp was one of the few banks to see an increase in its FHA market share during the two-year period ended June 30, to 8.2% from 7.9% two years ago; however, its number of FHA loans and market share fluctuated considerably during that time period.

Both B of A and Citi group have less than 1% FHA market share, though they had not been big players before.

Overall, large banks' share of FHA-insured purchase-only home loans has dropped sharply since February. Large banks originated 23.5% of FHA loans in August, down from 29.6% in February and 65.4% in November 2012, when AEI first began tracking the data.

However, nonbank rivals have stepped into the void.

Nonbanks' share jumped to 68% in August, up from 62.2% in February and 26.8% in November 2012, virtually replacing the share ceded by large banks.

 

........

(article has more)

Thank you for this article...it's very helpful. We're doing Conventional 5% but I still think my overdrafts will be a big factor:/

 

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