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Question about lates and pre-qualifying

Okay, before we even found this site, we contacted Quicken Loans about getting pre-qualed. Of course, they've been calling durn nigh night and day, and finally, we called them back. This is what, basically, we were told:

Hubby has a median score of 572. By this time next month (2 more months payments will have updated on two more accounts by then), his median should be around 600 or so. We DID tell him that we have lates as recent as three months ago (significant lates, of 120+ on SLs, and a few 30 days on car note).

He said our debt to income is good, our util is good, etc. He also made a big deal about our plunking down $40K on a $190K home being good. Also, that buying a home in Florida (which I understand to be a declining area) is fine.

He said that if we can get our score up to median 600, he will be able to pre-qualify us.

Does anyone know if this guy is full of poopie (and if Quicken is good??) or if he's being flat out honest with us??
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DallasLoanGuy
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying

sounds like 600 is that lenders guidelines.
 
$40k down? that is LARGE!!!!!
 
did they run you thru automated underwriting? are they stifling your approval until you get over 600?
ask them the hard questions.
 
 
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying



@DallasLoanGuy wrote:
sounds like 600 is that lenders guidelines.
 
$40k down? that is LARGE!!!!!
 
did they run you thru automated underwriting? are they stifling your approval until you get over 600?
ask them the hard questions.
 
 





Actually, he said "580" specifically, but when I mentioned that we should be median 600-620 by next month (or August at the latest), he said that it would be "no problem."

How is $40K large?? That's only a tad above 20% isn't it? The sale prices of the homes we're interested in is about $190-200K. Don't get me wrong ... if we could get away with paying a tad less and keeping more in reserves, we definitely would. Optimally, we'd love to get by with, say, $35K ... but I didn't think with our scores and lates that we could.

And no, he didn't run us through ... I specifically asked him not to. Figured an inquiry would hit our scores and we REALLY want to hit past 600 ASAP. I told him EVERYTHING. About the 120+ lates & the 30 day lates (about 4 of those). All combined, we have about 40 lates on DH's reports. :/

TBH, Quicken makes me nervous. Don't ask me why. I guess I just don't see why a big company, especially one that doesn't seem to be very established in the lending biz (what? About 4 years?), would take a chance on l'il ol' us. Smiley Sad

Another thing that has me fumboozled is that the homes that we're looking at, in the current market would go for $200K, but were about 2 years ago valued at $500K (yes, our local area has been hit THAT hard). Will that be taken into consideration? Or will the LTV be taken at the CURRENT value??

I honestly don't know WHAT to ask. I know they can't give promises (though this guy seemed almost willing to, which scares me, since he didn't actually PULL our reports) and I'm not looking for promises at this time. Right now, we couldn't possibly be embroiled in the nutroll of buying. Hubby's due to leave for almost the entire month of July. And there is NO way I can do this on my own. :/

But again, with a 578 median and the recent lates, I don't think we'd even hope to qualify. Smiley Sad
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying



@DallasLoanGuy wrote:


hard to say without seeing a full file. but with that much down, i would try.
 
please dont get your hopes up too much....  fha likes to measure the willingness and capacity to pay. all of those 120+ lates is bad. maybe a really crafty letter about how you didnt know that you could just start paying the student loans, that you thought you would have to pay all of the arrearage to get current or something.
how long have they been caught up?
did they offer a rehab deal? [Edited to remove material]
 





We JUST made our second payment "on time." We were $5K behind (interest really really racked up!!) and paid it + a little more.

We struggled for a while owing $2K here and $3k there and only able to make $1500 payments every other month. We never defaulted, though. so no mention of rehabbing ever entered the convo. We couldn't default -- hubby's DoD civilian and defaulting could have pulled his security clearance (of course, so could going over 180 days).

And yes, we were told by CSRs that all we could was pay the arreage NOW. That payments weren't good enough. But, in all fairness, they did consolidate us and they do deserve their $$!!

Right now, because of a LOT of problems with our account, a resolution specialist is investigating our file to clear up some boo-boos and see if we can be granted a "courtesy credit clear" ... not sure if it will work, of course, as I hear that SL servicers don't normally forgive lates. But here's hoping since that's our ugliest. Car loan was late about 4 times 30 days, but has been current for about 4 months.


Message Edited by sidewinder on 06-28-2008 08:34 PM
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying

I received a preapproval through Quicken and I am kind of nervous about it.  The whole process was different from the application  processes I have experienced with other lenders and the agent has not provided me with a GFE after I requested one twice in writing.  Throughout the postings I have read, most people have been charged fees upfront that run in the $300 range.  The agent I spoke with  quoted me $500.00 and this is after I submit a purchase agreement. You may want to check with other lenders if you have qualms about them.
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DallasLoanGuy
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i denied an applicant today that was preapproved thru quicken.
the realtor wanted to get them in front of me because that realtor has been burned by online lenders.
 
those commercials on tv cost a lot of money.... who do you think pays for them?
 
 
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Okay, Dallas ... I think I definitely qualify as the dumb kid in class!! o_O

What do you mean by "file?" I hate to bother you with this stupid question and I know I can always Google it, but you don't act condescendingly and I don't see you BSing anyone (unlike a few people I've talked to personally here lately)!!

We've got $23K left on a $52K SL (consistent lates enough on to be 120+, but paid up for the next two months), $1600 left on a $8K car loan (4 30 day lates -- about as recent as 4 months ago), three COs from circa 2005 (paid in FULL at the same time it charged off), and one medical collection from 2004 that's been paid off.

According to our FICOs, what's hurting us is the recent lates. As well as the lingering COs (again, from 2005). Hubby's FICOs are EX 528 (cause they haven't updated our accounts from TWO months ago yet!!), TU 600, EQ 578. We expect them to go up higher once more accounts update with good info.

Our income is $90K/year, 7 years at present employer (DoD civilian) 14 years in industry, with $10K in TSP, $40K to plunk down. We have no other reserves, though, but we're working on it. We were planning to put ALL $40K on the loan.

IF we stay current on all of our bills for the next 4 months and have no surprises (collections to pop up), what do you think our chances are? It would be, basically, 6 months of solid history (no lates). Or are we still tanked? Smiley Sad
Oh, also, in the 8 years of renting (at least, with a renter than can show documentation/proof) we've never been late! And hubby has a BoA Government Travel Card that while it doesn't report to the CRAs, they will issue us a letter of credit stating that in 7 years, we've never been late! His CL with them is $4K, but will jump to $10K in a couple of months.

Would that constitute a file?
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DallasLoanGuy
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Wonderin wrote:
Okay, Dallas ... I think I definitely qualify as the dumb kid in class!! o_O there are no dumb questions

What do you mean by "file?" loan ap & credit report I hate to bother you with this stupid question and I know I can always Google it, but you don't act condescendingly and I don't see you BSing anyone (unlike a few people I've talked to personally here lately)!! flag those posts... the moderators dont like that crap either

We've got $23K left on a $52K SL (consistent lates enough on to be 120+, but paid up for the next two months), $1600 left on a $8K car loan (4 30 day lates -- about as recent as 4 months ago), three COs from circa 2005 (paid in FULL at the same time it charged off), and one medical collection from 2004 that's been paid off.

According to our FICOs, what's hurting us is the recent lates. As well as the lingering COs (again, from 2005). Hubby's FICOs are EX 528 (cause they haven't updated our accounts from TWO months ago yet!!), TU 600, EQ 578. We expect them to go up higher once more accounts update with good info.

Our income is $90K/year, 7 years at present employer (DoD civilian) 14 years in industry, with $10K in TSP, $40K to plunk down. We have no other reserves, though, but we're working on it. We were planning to put ALL $40K on the loan.

IF we stay current on all of our bills for the next 4 months and have no surprises (collections to pop up), what do you think our chances are? It would be, basically, 6 months of solid history (no lates). Or are we still tanked? Smiley Sad if you had 12 months... i would feel better about it. with a big down payment though, you have a slim chance thru automated underwriting. manual underwrite would dent with those lates
Oh, also, in the 8 years of renting (at least, with a renter than can show documentation/proof) we've never been late! good news on manual underwrite. automated approval will not require rent to be verified And hubby has a BoA Government Travel Card that while it doesn't report to the CRAs, they will issue us a letter of credit stating that in 7 years, we've never been late! His CL with them is $4K, but will jump to $10K in a couple of months.

Would that constitute a file?

look. to be blunt.... think about it. you cannot ask an underwriter to overlook lates of 6 months old when guidelines call for 12 months clean history(for manual underwrite). you might get an approval thru automated... but i doubt it. but you have a slim chance if debt ratios ar low and you have good cash reserves.
 
dont get your hopes up.... the 120+ lates are all but impossible to overcome. especially when you add the other acounts with lates.
 
 
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying

Yuck. Okay, last couple of questions (if you don't mind ... since I've been harassing you with oodles of them):

1) What exactly (or near exactly) would we have to have to be approved automatically? Is there a FICO range? Would a FICO of 650 get us in?

2) WHAT does the automated "see?" In our FICO scorewatch thingie, it shows us "red flags" -- right now, the 3 (on one report, only 2) COs show up as a "red flags" and the two accounts that WERE past due show up as red flags. Does the automated system "see" those flags just like we can? Does the automated have a model where "more than X flags" means a denial?

3) Also, when you say "12 months of good history" is that a guideline for both FHA AND conventional?

4) What would the most lates a lender would be willing to work with? Would 8 months of solid history work? 10?

I guess I'm trying to say/ask that we understand that we'd only hope to qualify for a subprime ... higher interest rates and all that. And we're fine with that (for now, hoping that refi-ing is an option down the road). ARE there any subprime lenders out there anymore? Or have they all pretty much disappeared?

When you say 12 months is that JUST for the "regular" loans or is that for "subprime" as well??

Again, please, please, please excuse the questions and I really DO appreciate your bluntness!! Trust me, with all that's going on with our credit situation, bluntness is REFRESHING!!
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DallasLoanGuy
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Re: Question about lates and pre-qualifying



Wonderin wrote:
Yuck. Okay, last couple of questions (if you don't mind ... since I've been harassing you with oodles of them):

1) What exactly (or near exactly) would we have to have to be approved automatically? Is there a FICO range? Would a FICO of 650 get us in? fha will use something called the 'total scorecard' and fico is only a small part of it. they also score the credit themselves in addition to looking at length of employment and cas reserves, ect.

2) WHAT does the automated "see?" In our FICO scorewatch thingie, it shows us "red flags" -- right now, the 3 (on one report, only 2) COs show up as a "red flags" and the two accounts that WERE past due show up as red flags. Does the automated system "see" those flags just like we can? Does the automated have a model where "more than X flags" means a denial? 'total scorecard'

3) Also, when you say "12 months of good history" is that a guideline for both FHA AND conventional? fha manual underwrite calls for 12 months. you could try automated for both. see what happens

4) What would the most lates a lender would be willing to work with? Would 8 months of solid history work? 10? none in the last 12 months for manual. there is no set number for automated

I guess I'm trying to say/ask that we understand that we'd only hope to qualify for a subprime ... higher interest rates and all that. And we're fine with that (for now, hoping that refi-ing is an option down the road). ARE there any subprime lenders out there anymore? Or have they all pretty much disappeared? i dont know of a single one left.

When you say 12 months is that JUST for the "regular" loans or is that for "subprime" as well??

Again, please, please, please excuse the questions and I really DO appreciate your bluntness!! Trust me, with all that's going on with our credit situation, bluntness is REFRESHING!!

what is the hurry? do you need to move so soon?
go ahead and apply with a lender who can do fha and conventional and let us know what you hear.

 
Retired Lender
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