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Advice so I can plan a 1/3 & 5yr financial plan?

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Revelate
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Re: Advice so I can plan a 1/3 & 5yr financial plan?

Oi, sorry, yet another long reply but a bunch of thoughts.

 

Credit: you need to build your own when we're talking long term.  It might be years or decades even from now but eventually nobody will be using the current mortgage trifecta and when that happens you can basically kiss your scores goodbye if they're based on AU's.  They may count, or they may not, and speaking to a mortgage loan agent who just pulled your credit is not the time to find out that it's a problem: that's too late to fix the issue and your mortgage dream might just hit a one to two year reset at that point.   That would well and truly suck just sayin'.

 

Also you're already thinking of split credit with shared financing: if you get into financial trouble as a family you can tank one score but not the other and still have access to the modern credit market, which I'd suggest is a good thing when it comes to financing.  I'm not a fan of AU's beyond the building credit stage, one event could wipe out both reports.  Credit is a resource for smoothing out financial decisions and two separate credit files is nothing but a win compared to effectively one shared credit profile.

 

Fact is lenders hate AU's, they wanted FICO to get rid of them for years, didn't quite work out that way but nobody is clear how FICO 8 is using their anti-abuse and we can certainly assume FICO 9 is using something similar or worse.  If you get to a manual review at best your AU's won't help you, I'd argue CGID isn't quite right in this case (and that's a rarity) they might actually hurt you.  As a result I'd strongly encourage anyone to build their own file to where the AU's are irrelevant for scoring purposes.

 

Debt: That all said, focus here first.  We talk a lot about credit on this forum but frankly finances >> FICO, always.

 

An installment loan if it's at a lower APR than your credit cards is an absolute win both financially and for FICO, but if it's parity it can help FICO, but if it's worse never ever do it.

 

Shared accounting on credit reports: if it's on your credit report it counts as an obligation by the fact that it could become your obligation so any debts on both will count towards DTI for both.   In joint apps like a mortgage where you have a heavy manual component in underwriting that's probably seen if you're applying jointly for using both incomes and probably doesn't double-count, but if you apply singly it absolutely does even if you haven't made any payments in 3 years on a 5 year note.

 

Ultimately stopping the bleeding due to interest payments is crucial: I'm at the point in my life now where I'm throwing all available free cash flow at a 5.25% debt even, and that's way different from a standard rewards credit card which probably averages around 18% APR now.

 

If you have time before your next big ticket purchase (auto loan or mortgage) then work on your credit now which means your own credit cards (and maybe strategically dumping the not so great AU's from a limit / age perspective) and if you can swing the personal loan at a better interest rate to pay off the debt, go for it.

 

 




        
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Anonymous
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Re: Advice so I can plan a 1/3 & 5yr financial plan?


@omgitsMatt wrote:

A couple more cards of my own to get to the magic 3 number?


So three is the sweet spot of about 3 credit cards then when building a profile that looks appealing to lenders?

 


From what I have read on these boards, 3 revolving accounts (credit cards) and 1 installment loan (shared secured has been used often, or auto loan or mortgage) is the sweet spot for best FICO scoring.  After that the "return on investment" of FICO score vs new accounts goes away.

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omgitsMatt
Frequent Contributor

Re: Advice so I can plan a 1/3 & 5yr financial plan?

So with a Transunion score of 680 or higher, mine is 685 at the moment, I could get a personal loan for $7,500 or possibly more at an interest rate of 11.9%.

A Transunion score of 720 or higher and I'd get it at 8.5%.

If I used my car title as collateral it could be as low as 5%, if my score was 685. I didn't think to ask what it'd be if I had a score at 720.

I could spread that loan out between 0 and 35 months.

There's no fees for paying off early or hidden fees.


When I accomplish my goals of paying off my currently listed debt in the original post, the two AUs and one personal, I'll take out a loan in my name and pay down her $7,500 with my personal loan then be added to that high limit/old card as an authorized user while the balance is almost nothing.


From there, I'll see where my score is at and reassess my goals.


Ideally I'd like to start dropping the worst AU cards and replacing them with my own, while making payments on my personal loan.


Once I've swapped out the AUs for traditional cards of my own and everything I would want and need is planted, I'd make payments and grow my garden.

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omgitsMatt
Frequent Contributor

Re: Advice so I can plan a 1/3 & 5yr financial plan?

With those two ferreting out the details needed to figure out more about my personal situation before and then you coming in with that long well thought out post was the coup de grâce

 

I know exactly what I need to do, what I can do and what I will do to make the best of this.

 

Thank you SO f' much guys, you're incredible

 

I'm just ear to ear grin atm, it's nice to know with confidence what to do and you guys helped so much!

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