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Confusing score changes with account deletion

My mortgage scores were Ex-709, Eq-695, Tu-667. One of the consistent negative "score factors" across all three accounts was "You have a consumer finance account on your credit report." I've learned that sub-prime lenders like OneMain Financial can actually hurt your score. I had three loans over the previous four years on the report and none of them had any derrogitories. So I wrote an email to the CEO explaining my situation and noting how the consumer finance loan was hurting my ability to get a better deal on a mortgage. Well, turns out that somebody from the executive office cared and called me back! They offered to remove two of the accounts from my record, leaving one. I figured that this would actually increase my average age of accounts AND eliminate 2/3 of my "consumer finance" loans. Score! Well, at least I thought so. The changes were made and new scores are in:

 

Ex-708 (-1)

Eq-688 (-7)

Tu-670 (+3)

 

I was hoping to get my middle score to 700 to help out with mortgage rates. Oh well. Live and learn. I ended up getting approved for an FHA at 2.5% or conventional at 3.25%, which is pretty good in my book. Went FHA and I'm very happy with that 2.5%. Just thought I'd share my experience on the score changes from removing some accounts. The only thing that I could factor is that losing two accounts with a perfect payment record hurt, as I do have several 30-day late payements on the books from 2013-2017.  

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dragontears
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@Anonymous wrote:

My mortgage scores were Ex-709, Eq-695, Tu-667. One of the consistent negative "score factors" across all three accounts was "You have a consumer finance account on your credit report." I've learned that sub-prime lenders like OneMain Financial can actually hurt your score. I had three loans over the previous four years on the report and none of them had any derrogitories. So I wrote an email to the CEO explaining my situation and noting how the consumer finance loan was hurting my ability to get a better deal on a mortgage. Well, turns out that somebody from the executive office cared and called me back! They offered to remove two of the accounts from my record, leaving one. I figured that this would actually increase my average age of accounts AND eliminate 2/3 of my "consumer finance" loans. Score! Well, at least I thought so. The changes were made and new scores are in:

 

Ex-708 (-1)

Eq-688 (-7)

Tu-670 (+3)

 

I was hoping to get my middle score to 700 to help out with mortgage rates. Oh well. Live and learn. I ended up getting approved for an FHA at 2.5% or conventional at 3.25%, which is pretty good in my book. Went FHA and I'm very happy with that 2.5%. Just thought I'd share my experience on the score changes from removing some accounts. The only thing that I could factor is that losing two accounts with a perfect payment record hurt, as I do have several 30-day late payements on the books from 2013-2017.  


Sorry you had a score drop but at least you still got approved for your mortgage! 

I like to refer to CFA as the myFICO molehill, yes it shows up on the negative reason code list; however, it ranks below inquiries which are very few points. Some people seem to think that CFA are really bad for your scores but in reality they are likely only "costing" a point or two. 

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@dragontears wrote:

Sorry you had a score drop but at least you still got approved for your mortgage! 

I like to refer to CFA as the myFICO molehill, yes it shows up on the negative reason code list; however, it ranks below inquiries which are very few points. Some people seem to think that CFA are really bad for your scores but in reality they are likely only "costing" a point or two. 


I'm wondering if they have more of an impact on what your bank/loan officer/underwriter thinks about your creditworthiness as opposed to the score. I guess it's not all about score and utilization. 

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OmarGB9
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Sorry about the point loss, but congrats on the approval!


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@Anonymous At the same time it also affected your average age of loans, possibly your oldest open loan metric, or even your oldest loan metric, in addition to average age of accounts.


So who knows what the effect of each was. Also affected your revolver:loan ratio. And maybe removed the CFA penalty, but I doubt that because you said there’s still one on there and all it takes is one, it’s all or nothing, I think.

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous yeah really no way to tell exactly what happened. They accounts removed were closed more than a year ago. Regardless, ignoring the score, I'm hoping that my profile looks more attractive to my underwriter now with just one CFA than it would have with three CFAs. 

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@Anonymous yeah really no way to tell exactly what happened. They accounts removed were closed more than a year ago. Regardless, ignoring the score, I'm hoping that my profile looks more attractive to my underwriter now with just one CFA than it would have with three CFAs. 


@Anonymous I Have no doubt that it does!

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dragontears
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@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous yeah really no way to tell exactly what happened. They accounts removed were closed more than a year ago. Regardless, ignoring the score, I'm hoping that my profile looks more attractive to my underwriter now with just one CFA than it would have with three CFAs. 


@Anonymous I Have no doubt that it does!


I doubt it, no mortgage has ever been denied because of a CFA. 

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Anonymous
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I don’t know if it has been or hasn’t been, but I still agree that the file looks better.
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