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Question re: re-gaing of accounts

Hello all,

 

My husband and I are looking to purchase a home fairly soon and are needing some advice. We were looking over my husband's credit report with a real estate agent this morning and a few of the things he mentioned to us did not seem correct to me. My husband defaulted on a car loan in 2003 and our real estate agent mentioned that this debt could stay on his credit report indefenitely since a lot of debt collectors change the date of activity to a recent date in order to continue collecting on the debt. He pointed out to us that this debt was last reported to the bureaus this month, and that we had to wait 7 years from that date until this would be removed from our report. I later noticed that underneath the "date reported" were the letters "DLA", which I discovered meant date of last activity. This date was listed as 02/2005. Does this mean that the CA will stop reporting this debt 7 years from the DLA, or is it true what my real estate agent mentioned about this being reported indefenitely, and that CA reporting debts for extremely long periods of times is actually something quite common and very hard to fix....

 

I'm also keeping in mind that our real estate agent wants us to go to a debt restoration agent to help us fix our credit; however, we're not sure if we should even pay back this debt as we were assuming it would be dropping from our credit reports fairly soon (w/in 2 years the most).

 

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MarineVietVet
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Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Hello all,

 

My husband and I are looking to purchase a home fairly soon and are needing some advice. We were looking over my husband's credit report with a real estate agent this morning and a few of the things he mentioned to us did not seem correct to me. My husband defaulted on a car loan in 2003 and our real estate agent mentioned that this debt could stay on his credit report indefenitely since a lot of debt collectors change the date of activity to a recent date in order to continue collecting on the debt. He pointed out to us that this debt was last reported to the bureaus this month, and that we had to wait 7 years from that date until this would be removed from our report. I later noticed that underneath the "date reported" were the letters "DLA", which I discovered meant date of last activity. This date was listed as 02/2005. Does this mean that the CA will stop reporting this debt 7 years from the DLA, or is it true what my real estate agent mentioned about this being reported indefenitely, and that CA reporting debts for extremely long periods of times is actually something quite common and very hard to fix....

 

I'm also keeping in mind that our real estate agent wants us to go to a debt restoration agent to help us fix our credit; however, we're not sure if we should even pay back this debt as we were assuming it would be dropping from our credit reports fairly soon (w/in 2 years the most).

 


 

Hello and welcome.

 

Your agent is........how shall I say this.........less than correct.

 

Here is how and when derogs drop from you CR, and are thus no longer included in FICO scoring.

Monthly delinquencies under an OC account drop at 7 years from their individual date of delinquency. The date of first delinquency (DOFD) has nothing to do with these drop-off dates. They drop from their own individual dates. So look at each prior OC reported monthly derog date, and simply add 7 years.

If the OC subsequently reports their account as a charge off, that is a totally different and additional post to your CR. Their post as a charge-off will remain in your CR for up to 7.5 years from the DOFD on the OC account, which is the first 30-day delinquency you had on the account, and disregards any later 60/90+ delinquencies that followed. That cannot be reset.

If the OC then refers the account for collection, and a CA posts to your CR, the drop-off date of their collection reporting is the same as that of a CO. It is up to 7.5 years from the same DOFD on the OC account, and the CA cannot reset this date.

 

While it is true that any new activity can and does make a negative account look more recent and therefore can hurt your score NO ONE can report past the CRTP of 7-7.5 years. Having said all this the original debt never goes away and collection efforts can continue but generally nothing will show on your reports past CRTP with a few exceptions:

 

FCRA 605(b)

(1) a credit transaction involving, or which may reasonably be expected to involve, a principal amount of $150,000 or more;
(2) the underwriting of life insurance involving, or which may reasonably be expected to involve, a face amount of $150,000 or more; or
(3) the employment of any individual at an annual salary which equals, or which may reasonably be expected to equal $75,000, or more.

 

One last thing. You don't need to pay anyone to repair and rebuild your credit. You can do it yourself with help and advice from some very smart people (not including myself) right here.

 

Sorry for the long post. I'm generally a man of few words.

 

 

From a BK years ago to:
9/09 EX pulled by lender 802
3/10 EQ- 800
6/10 TU -772

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Anonymous
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Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

Thank you for responding! Your posts makes a lot of sense. The part I'm having a tough time understanding is which date I'm supposed to add the 7 1/2 years to.

 

There are various dates listed on the account.

 

Date Reported: 07/2010

DLA: 02/2005

Date Opened: 11/2003

Late Dates: 09-10/2008 , 09/07/2008

Last Past Due: 07/08

 

My husband opened the account in 2003 but stopped paying on it some time in 2004, but yet I don't see this date listed anywhere on here.

 

I requested a report from TransUnion which includes an estimated date that the account will be removed from his credit reports and it lists 10/2010. Are the estimated dates they list for the accounts being deleted somewhat accurate, or could this information be totally wrong?

 

I will be sticking around here to see how I can fix my husband's score. The real estate agent went as far as to tell me not to believe what anyone else tells me re: accounts re-aging..I have no idea why he would give me incorrect information like this. It's just so wrong!

 

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MarineVietVet
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Thank you for responding! Your posts makes a lot of sense. The part I'm having a tough time understanding is which date I'm supposed to add the 7 1/2 years to.

 

There are various dates listed on the account.

 

Date Reported: 07/2010

DLA: 02/2005

Date Opened: 11/2003

Late Dates: 09-10/2008 , 09/07/2008

Last Past Due: 07/08

 

My husband opened the account in 2003 but stopped paying on it some time in 2004, but yet I don't see this date listed anywhere on here.

 

I requested a report from TransUnion which includes an estimated date that the account will be removed from his credit reports and it lists 10/2010. Are the estimated dates they list for the accounts being deleted somewhat accurate, or could this information be totally wrong?

 

I will be sticking around here to see how I can fix my husband's score. The real estate agent went as far as to tell me not to believe what anyone else tells me re: accounts re-aging..I have no idea why he would give me incorrect information like this. It's just so wrong!

 


 

None of those dates mean anything when talking about CRTP. DOFD (Date of First Delinquency) is all that matters. If you have the original records you can figure the DOFD. Or you can call the original creditor and see if they will help you.

 

If you pull your free reports from annualcreditreport.com Experian and Transunion will have the drop off dates. You say you have a TU report that shows a drop off date of 10/2010. Those are usually pretty accurate in my experience. The Equifax report will show the actual DOFD.

 

Your agent needs to read FCRA (Fair Credit Reporting Act) 605(a) & (c)(1). That talks about how long derogatory items can be reported.

 

 

From a BK years ago to:
9/09 EX pulled by lender 802
3/10 EQ- 800
6/10 TU -772

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RobertEG
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Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

 

 

Your advisor does not understand credit reporting, and has given you very bad advice.

Yes, your DOFD on the OC account is the only date that controls how long a collection can remain in your CR.  FCRA 605(c). Later DOLAs have no impact on how long it remains in your CR. Simply take your DOFD, add 7 1/2 years from that one date-certain, and that determines CRA deletion of CA posting to your CR.

 

Determination of your actual DOFD should never be accepted based on reliance of what is reported in your CR.  That is second-hand reporting, and is thus only legal hearsay  in a court of law.  Using OC account records, establish the first date that the account went into delinquency, and was not, thereafter, brought back into paid, good standing status.  That is your legal DOFD.

 

How DOFD is recorded in your credit file is at the discretion of those reporting.  It is not legal proof of anything.

 

If you want to know what the current reporting of DOFD that is currently stored in your credit file, just send the following letter to the CRA:

 

"This is a request, under FCRA 609(a)(1), for all information in my credit file pertaining to the required reporting to you of my date of firstb delinquency under FCRA 623(a)(5).

"This is NOT a dispute of information in my credit file under FCRA 611(a) or FCRA 623(a)(8).  It is simply a request for information.

"I understand that this request requries a fee of $10.50. under FCRA 612(f).  Enclosed is my check for that fee."

"

 

 

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

psst....not to hijack or anything, but say, if a TU report says drop off 8/10 - does TU do it some date in August (or better yet, before), or some date in September?

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MarineVietVet
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Re: Question re: re-gaing of accounts

 


@Anonymous wrote:

psst....not to hijack or anything, but say, if a TU report says drop off 8/10 - does TU do it some date in August (or better yet, before), or some date in September?


 

IME it has always been sometime within the month listed.

 

 

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9/09 EX pulled by lender 802
3/10 EQ- 800
6/10 TU -772

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