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I've been on this earth over 70 years and I always thought it was a sign of respect.
 
I didn't see anything on smorgasboard about certain subjects being taboo.??????
I don't think it's political, religious or sexual (we have discussed all of these previously).  I just think that if you are representing your country it would be nice.  I have seen them do it in  earlier olympics.  Even the baseball guys do it.  I'm looking forward to our basketball team and their take on this.
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casinoannie97 wrote:
 
I didn't see anything on smorgasboard about certain subjects being taboo.??????


 
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Again, a lot of it is how people were taught as kids. Sure, it would be nice if everyone did this, but not doing it doesn't automatically mean disrespect. I would also have liked it if people had held the door for me back when I was pregnant and dragging toddlers along, but the people who most often let it slam in my face were young women in their 20's.

I would imagine that any number of traitors, double agents, whatever, made all the right noises and gestures before they were exposed.

And FWIW, I put my hand over my heart, as does my husband, who also removes whatever tractor cap he's sporting that day (once I elbow him in the ribs to remind him), and I sing the National Anthem out loud. To the point where the row in front of me edges away once we approach the tough part. I do it because we choose to, and we were brought up to do so. And because we're in our fifties, most likely. Many younger people do the same, many don't. I don't think that they're Al Qaeda come to watch a Tennessee football game.

And now I need to stop, or I will need to ban myself, or something. Smiley Tongue
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I am a very proud American and I DON'T put my hand over my heart during the National Anthem. I am a former Marine and therefore I stand at attention during the National Anthem. No one knows that I am doing this, so at first glance, it might "seem like" I am not a "good American", but I am doing what I was taught and what resonates best with me.

I agree that we shouldn't judge one's patriotism by what public gestures are made. I, like HTSU, had better shut up now, or face a self ban. Smiley Tongue


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Why don't you two ban each other  Smiley Very Happy
 
And speaking as one who has had two nationalities and attended countless international rugby games (where the anthem of both countries is sung), I can never remember to do what and with what and to whom  Smiley Happy
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@haulingthescoreup wrote:
Again, a lot of it is how people were taught as kids. Sure, it would be nice if everyone did this, but not doing it doesn't automatically mean disrespect. I would also have liked it if people had held the door for me back when I was pregnant and dragging toddlers along, but the people who most often let it slam in my face were young women in their 20's.

I would imagine that any number of traitors, double agents, whatever, made all the right noises and gestures before they were exposed.

And FWIW, I put my hand over my heart, as does my husband, who also removes whatever tractor cap he's sporting that day (once I elbow him in the ribs to remind him), and I sing the National Anthem out loud. To the point where the row in front of me edges away once we approach the tough part. I do it because we choose to, and we were brought up to do so. Smiley Tongue




I don't sing it mostly because I don't like the song. I prefer "America the Beautiful" (Ray Charles!) and I wish that it was the national anthem as it brings tears to my eyes and it expresses more accurately how I feel about my country.Plus, it's a better melody for my vocal range.

But hey whatdoIknow, being Italian/Irish who grew up in NY. Smiley Wink
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I don't think  anything I said comes under race, nationality, sex, politics, etc.  It seems sad to me that this great nation has become a different one that I grew up with.  All your points are taken and appreciated.  I do love the Ray Charles rendition of America the Beautful.  It was and is the best.  Good thread.


Message Edited by casinoannie97 on 08-18-2008 09:08 PM
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casinoannie97 wrote:
 
well some day we will wake up and all the street signs will be in another language because no one cared about their country.   I notice all our military (the one's keeping us safe)  all put their hand over their hearts.  But they don't play tennis for millions of dollars.
 
Complacency is our biggest threat.  I am senior citizen.  Thank GOD!!!!


Message Edited by casinoannie97 on 08-17-2008 04:47 PM

I don't think street signs in another language has much if anything to do with caring about one's country. If anything, we should always remember where we have come from. First and foremost, this land belonged to the Native Americans. And secondly, the great nation we know today was built upon the backs of immigrants. And in many ways, still is.
 
Second, while watching the Olympics, I was actually thinking about what I would do if I were on the podium and won a medal. I think I would be so overwhelmed by winning that I wouldn't even remember to place my hand over my heart!
 
In fact, as Hauling mentioned above, I don't know that everyone is taught that they should place their hands over their hearts. I've seen many people stand at attention with their arms at their sides during the National Anthem. I've done that myself without thinking. It's not a sign of disrespect, maybe just respecting things in a different manner.
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I think we are very lucky to live in a country where we can  exchange our different thoughts.  I was taught in school (1st grade) about the heart thing and we said prayers also.  I understand the change in the world but it saddens me.  It would be second nature for me to raise my hand to my heart and my eyes to our flag.  I would not have to think twice about it.
 
You evidently didn't get the street sign comment.  Or the complacency reference.  APATHY is our enemy, Walmart is our friend.
 
 


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I would have bet this thread would have been locked a long time ago.  We seem to have avoided the original posters comment about the olympics for the sake of being PC.
 
I thought the whole point of the olympics was for countries to compete against each other and your were representing your country,  not yourself or a corporate sponser.
 
It is also a time for countries to put aside their differences and compete to have the best runner, tennis player, whatever.
 
I suppose it was too much to ask for the Williams sisters to observe how most of the other people at the olympics respected their countries and act like they were representing the US and not themselves.
 
To be slightly un-PC here,  I am not suprised that they acted this way given her father.   What I am suprised about is that they grew up poor and they were able to rise above poverty to make it rich.
 
I dont think they would have had the same opertunity if the grew up in say in a thrid world country.
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