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Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

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niceassets
Valued Member

Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

On APR 11 my auto installment, which has no late pays, was marked as satisfied - paid in full, on my Experian report. 

The same day my score dropped 11 pts. I called Experian and they said this happens. Fully satisfying a loan does not automatically mean a score increase... I said W T F is that nonsense?!?! You pay a loan off in full with no late pays and you get a score D E C R E A S E ??? LOL 

Hopefully someone here can help shed some light on how that makes any sense whatsoever. 

Thanks in advance. 

4/20/2020 - EQ 646, TU 596, EX 596
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

I believe you lost credit mix + low utilization pts. for you open accounts.

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niceassets
Valued Member

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

Thank you. I understand what you're saying, it just seems strange that my score would suffer as the result of successfully paying off a loan. Will this correct itself in time or is there something I can do?

4/20/2020 - EQ 646, TU 596, EX 596
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donkort
Valued Contributor

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

I lost 20 points after I paid off my mortgage.

FICO 8: EQ 810; TU 816; EX 822 as of 7/5/2022
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Trudy
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Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian


@niceassets wrote:

Thank you. I understand what you're saying, it just seems strange that my score would suffer as the result of successfully paying off a loan. Will this correct itself in time or is there something I can do?


Financial health does not always equate to better scores.  In fact it often seems counterintuitive.  Paying all your credit cards to zero is good financial health.  However, FICO see's it as not using credit, therefore cannot predict how  responsible you are with CC debt as it's not trended data. You will take a hit on your scores.

 

Same with credit mix as it's part of the FICO pie.  Not having something that satisfies the credit mix could ad usuually does cause a reduction in scores.  Absent an installment loan removes available point for satisfying that piece of the pie.  

 

But unless you need to app for something or need to use your scores for a reason, you didn't do anything wrong.  Paying off a mostly paid or only instalment loan, FICO reacts with a decrease. It's just the way it is.

 

Now the new FICO 10T may treat it different when implemented (likely many many years down the lines as FICO 9 has not taken over FICO 8).  This current health crisis may speed the implementation up, who knows.  That new score uses trended data and will be the new beginning of many topics in this forum in a decade or so (just my opinion regarding when)

 

 

FICO - 8: 05/05/23
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian


@niceassets wrote:

On APR 11 my auto installment, which has no late pays, was marked as satisfied - paid in full, on my Experian report. 

The same day my score dropped 11 pts. I called Experian and they said this happens. Fully satisfying a loan does not automatically mean a score increase... I said W T F is that nonsense?!?! You pay a loan off in full with no late pays and you get a score D E C R E A S E ??? LOL 

Hopefully someone here can help shed some light on how that makes any sense whatsoever. 

Thanks in advance. 


In order to tell you what happened, we would need to know if this was your only open loan, and if not what the balances and original loan amounts were on this loan and the other(s).


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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niceassets
Valued Member

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

It was the only open loan, had no late pays, and had a balance of about $1,400 prior to paying it in full. It now seems like I should have just kept the loan open and kept paying monthly. Live and learn.

 

I have a fairly thin file otherwise, with one card ($0 bal, low CL) and a SelfLender (Self) account, both with excellent payment history. 

The only negatives are 2 old derogs,/collections... and I'm working on those PFD.

4/20/2020 - EQ 646, TU 596, EX 596
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Anonymous
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Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

Your avg. length of credit history potenitally went down.  if it was a 5-6 year loan you had 5-6 years history.  if the majority of your LOC are less than that your avg. age went down and your score took a hit.

 

If you dont have many/any other installment loans (mortgage, student loans, etc) then your credit mix took a hit.  as you have few/no installment loans and your score took a hit.

 

remember, these are computers doing the scoring.  not humans.  paying it off with no late payments doesnt matter to math problems.

 

when you pay something off, that line of credit closes.  and you only get positive points for open lines of credit.

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niceassets
Valued Member

Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian

I get it, that makes sense. Which leads me to my next question...  is the best thing to do, get another auto/installment loan? 

 Obviously I'm only going to do it if it makes sense for me in every other regard as well, not just rush out to get an auto loan.

But it seems like getting another small (under $5k loan) might help to boost scores faster than anything else? 

4/20/2020 - EQ 646, TU 596, EX 596
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FireMedic1
Community Leader
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Re: Auto Installment paid in full - 11 pt decrease on Experian


@niceassets wrote:

It was the only open loan, had no late pays, and had a balance of about $1,400 prior to paying it in full. It now seems like I should have just kept the loan open and kept paying monthly. Live and learn.

 

I have a fairly thin file otherwise, with one card ($0 bal, low CL) and a SelfLender (Self) account, both with excellent payment history. 

The only negatives are 2 old derogs,/collections... and I'm working on those PFD.


You still have a installment loan. Dont need another. If the other loan was the only one. It would have been more than 20+ pts lost after PIF.


TWO MORE MONTHS NO BK! (on Eq/Ex)
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