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Pulled Discover "Score Card" for the free EX today and my installment loan and 5 credit cards are reporting there. "Credit Mix: Very Good" is the result. I used to have "Credit Mix: Good" in the past with just 2-3 credit cards and no installment loans.
What do you folks with "Credit Mix: Exceptional" have that I don't?
Bear in mind that these categories (poor, fair, good, very good, exceptional) are not rooted in anything specific that the FICO 8 algorithm is doing. They are purely the result of the people who programmed up the front end of that particular credit monitoring system (CMS). The people who created Credit Check Total might do it one way, the people who created myFICO might do it yet another way, the people who created Discover's Credit Score Card might do it a third way.
Therefore it is possible (not certain but possible) that, as far as the actual back-end algorithm goes, you are getting all the scoring points possible for Credit Mix. But whoever programmed up Discover Score Card thinks it would be "better" if you had an auto loan, a mortgage, three credit cards, and a charge card.
Let's see what Revelate, Thomas Thumb, or somewhat like that says... but I am pretty sure I am right about that.
Oh I'm sure you're right about it but I was surprised that adding the SSL didn't cover that aspect there. FICO of course doesn't care about fako reason codes but it's an interesting situation when it comes to per-vendor decision making, too.
Getting a mortgage won't happen for me unless the bubble bursts and a ton of properties fall under 60X rent for selling prices. I can hope for it but I doubt it'll happen any time soon.
Getting an auto loan is also unlikely although I recently discussed with my lawyer on buying a car to use in lieu of Uber by hiring a local Uber driver to drive me around in a car I own and use it as a business expense of sorts. Looking deeper into it because I am always looking for ways to save $$$, lol. I'd get an auto loan tomorrow if it was cheaper than Uber is, and Uber near me is crazy cheap already but I think I can cut those costs down another 10-20% if I play my cards right.
This is just interpretation of one's report, not actual FICO or even Vantage applicable necessarily (though of course, showing a diverse set of accounts is absolutely a thing under FICO).
I really need to get into the office unfortunately, if we pick a source (MF, CK, other?) I might be able to see when I changed into different categories. AFAIK If you have both revolving and installment accounts on your report you max out the majority (if not all) of the credit mix part of the classic scorecards when we're talking FICO 8 or earlier with the exception of NextGen.
Some AU models split out auto loan specifically apparently looking at my reason codes.
Actually heck I can't find an credit mix thing in a quick check of CK nor MF, maybe not looking right place, but I know some like credit.com aren't reflective of reality... i.e. they break out mortgages and student loans both, and that's just not correct for FICO where they are both just installment. Then again I am exceptional there ![]()

Ha! I talked to a mortgage broker buddy of mine and asked him to look for the smallest mortgage loan they've ever done at his large office and he said there's nothing low enough to get my interest. I'd totally do a $4000 mortgage with 99% down payment if they offered it, but alas they don't and I don't want to bother with income proof or tax returns or any such thing when I would prefer to do a stated income no doc loan with 99% down just to have a mortgage report.
I told him that $4000 for 10 years at 4.5% is $41 a month and they'd make money on it, but he scoffed.
I barely graduated high school so student loans are out of the question.
Auto loan I'd only do if I can find a tax loophole on my own car + private driver costs + mileage credit on depreciation and costs from the IRS. Working on that with my tax attorney now looking for loopholes.
Might consider a boat loan, though, at the end of this year. I can PIF the boat entirely but the head of my local yacht club is also a boat loan underwriter and he said he can hook me up and not have an issue with a 96% payoff day 2. Not sure how the boat loans report, though.
@Anonymous wrote:Ha! I talked to a mortgage broker buddy of mine and asked him to look for the smallest mortgage loan they've ever done at his large office and he said there's nothing low enough to get my interest. I'd totally do a $4000 mortgage with 99% down payment if they offered it, but alas they don't and I don't want to bother with income proof or tax returns or any such thing when I would prefer to do a stated income no doc loan with 99% down just to have a mortgage report.
I told him that $4000 for 10 years at 4.5% is $41 a month and they'd make money on it, but he scoffed.
I barely graduated high school so student loans are out of the question.
Auto loan I'd only do if I can find a tax loophole on my own car + private driver costs + mileage credit on depreciation and costs from the IRS. Working on that with my tax attorney now looking for loopholes.
Might consider a boat loan, though, at the end of this year. I can PIF the boat entirely but the head of my local yacht club is also a boat loan underwriter and he said he can hook me up and not have an issue with a 96% payoff day 2. Not sure how the boat loans report, though.
Ok - your credit mix is highly unlikely to rate exceptional anytime soon due to the paltry # of open accounts you have. Believe me - I know. I have 1 open mortgage, 4 credit cards, 1 charge card and 1 AU credit card. I rate very good on Mix per MyFICO reports and poor on the CK scale. Scoring 850 with sub optimal mix is not a problem.
Every simulator I have tested either rewards me with a higher score or no change if I were to get a car loan. No score drop due to new account or associated inquiry. Doesn't matter if the loan were 5k or 50k as my mostly paid down mortgage would keep aggregate B/L low enough either way. As supporting info I sometimes get a "you have no recent activitity from an auto loan" and/or "you have not established a long installment credit history". As we should know by now, a mortgage is categorized differently than a basic installment loan AND within installment loan group an auto loan appears to get "special" recognition.
I always pay cash for cars but, next time around I might take out a partial loan to see how it impacts score. Do I think some of my Fico scores will increase - yes. Do I think my mix rating will achieve exceptional status - No (I lack critical mass on # of accounts). No plans to open 5 or more accounts to reach that moniker.
P.S. I hate wireless keyboards - keystrokes missing from every post.... always have to edit.
I definitely know that mortgage loans are coded different but was unaware of auto loan differences.
I work (rarely!) for a very large well known bank as a consultant and have for many years when they had emergency need for my services and I know a few of the underwriters personally who have basically guaranteed me an auto loan any time I want one (up to 120% LTV at whatever their prime rate is). FICO scores be damned they said. Getting an unsecured credit card from their CC underwriter branch was impossible though, lol.
So if I can find a tax loophole in 'buying my own Uber type vehicle', I will go and get an auto loan, let it report for 3-4 months and then just PIF it down over a few months and close it out, just to see if it helps with that fako reason code, lol. I figure whatever the APR is (0.9%? 3.9%?) the interest on $30,000 can't be that much for 3 months. Maybe a few hundred bucks or so.
ABCD, I'm not understanding your goal here. Or, maybe I am, but I'm just not understanding why it's your goal? You said you're willing to pay a few hundred bucks of interest to see if a FAKO reason code changes. Why?
If you've already got several revolvers on there and an installment loan, "credit mix" wise you're not in bad shape at all. Adding another installment loan if you already have one I wouldn't think would do much for your score, if anything. I do agree that a few more accounts could help in time, but I don't think a change to your "credit mix" would impact your score all that much at this stage... not like someone with no installment loan adding a SSL for example.
@Anonymous wrote:I definitely know that mortgage loans are coded different but was unaware of auto loan differences.
I work (rarely!) for a very large well known bank as a consultant and have for many years when they had emergency need for my services and I know a few of the underwriters personally who have basically guaranteed me an auto loan any time I want one (up to 120% LTV at whatever their prime rate is). FICO scores be damned they said. Getting an unsecured credit card from their CC underwriter branch was impossible though, lol.
So if I can find a tax loophole in 'buying my own Uber type vehicle', I will go and get an auto loan, let it report for 3-4 months and then just PIF it down over a few months and close it out, just to see if it helps with that fako reason code, lol. I figure whatever the APR is (0.9%? 3.9%?) the interest on $30,000 can't be that much for 3 months. Maybe a few hundred bucks or so.
If I purchased a $30k car my approach would be:
1) Pay $20k of the $30k in cash (or for me I would put the $20k on an AMEX charge card to boost my HB. I would negotiate to cover the AMEX fee because I want to bump up my HB and I would be ok with covering a 2% AMEX fee of ($600).
2) I'd take out a $10k, 5 year, loan make the 1st payment per the loan terms and then make a $9k payment the 2nd month to bring balance down to under 9%.
3) I'd then have monthly payments adjusted to payoff the remaining balance over 5 years. This approach allows the loan to remain open at a low B/L ratio and builds up a long term payment history.
I'd get my own loan as opposed to getting it through the dealership. I'd also make sure the loan can flex to modify payment plan based on a large one time payment and that total interest on the loan is reduced to factor in early payments.
Side note: There are other ways I could crank up my AMEX HB such as purchasing a $20k home entertainment system through BB but, I don't need such a system whereas I do need a new car near term.
@Anonymous wrote:ABCD, I'm not understanding your goal here. Or, maybe I am, but I'm just not understanding why it's your goal? You said you're willing to pay a few hundred bucks of interest to see if a FAKO reason code changes. Why?
Ulterior motives and data points for future personal benefit and gain, mostly.
A few hundred bucks on data is nothing. I spent thousands a year on gather other data points across other areas of passions I have. The money isn't all that important to me if the data points aren't well known publicly.
Most of my incomes over my adult life came from exactly these angles -- spend some money digging deeper into mysteries and then use that information to pivot new expertise to new income streams in the future.
While the FAKO reason code isn't important, per se, the underlying data that drives their specific reason codes may have relevancy for myself and others.