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Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs *Updated with AZEO Info*

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atarvuzdar
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Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs *Updated with AZEO Info*

Warning: Long Post -- thank you to all who read the entirety!

 

A little hesitant to post because the $$s noted below are high (read: embarrassing) but I think it'll be cathartic for me and very useful to any of you who are into data points. 

 

So this Fall, DP and I embarked on a goal of ours which we've had for several years--to refinance the mortgage on our house (which is in his name) and also begin focusing on paying down debt. We've both had problems with handling debt in the past (still struggling--but getting there!) and it's been a long process. When we started the process, we had a high % mortgage, boatloads of student loans and lots of CC debt.

 

We applied with one of our credit unions for a 15 yr refi mortgage with cash out (to pay down CC's) on 9/1/17. DP's previous mortgage was @ 7% (Smiley Surprised) through Ocwen--most of the payment was still going to interest, less than $200/mo going toward principal, 17.5 yrs left on the mortgage (originally 30 yrs). Our CU was able to approve us @ 3.25% (lowest middle mortgage score was DP's @ 655, no idea how we pulled this % off), deed and mortgage now in both of our names, and gave us enough cash out to pay off every CC we had to $0. Monthly mortgage payment increased a little over $100 but will now be paid off 2.5 yrs sooner than  under the prior mortgage & we no longer have approx. $50K in CC debt between the two of us (large majority of it is in my name since my credit has historically been better). Loan officer said he's never seen a refi opportunity so life changing. Don't know if he was just being a good salesman but I definitely think he was right. Mortgage was fully funded and cashout in our CU account by 10/18/17. We didn't hesitate to pay off every one of our CC's.

 

That said, here are the data points for my profile as of 10/18/17, the date I paid off all CC's:

 

Absolutely all data consistent across all bureaus, except inq's which will be noted:

 

AoOA: 13 yrs 6 mos

AAoA: 4 yrs 6 mos

AoYA: 1 yr 3 mos (why, oh why did I accept that JCP MC upgrade from Synchrony??)

 

12 open CC's, 5 closed CC's

1 closed auto loan

1 student loan (owe $77,946 on original $71,076 --yes, over 100% util on this loan... went through student loan rehab)

Inq's: 1EQ/1TU/2EX (refi inq accounts for 1 inq on each of these)

 

Scores (as of 10/18/17):

EQ 689 / TU 688 / EX 687

 

Score factors @ start:

 

Negative factors: Heavy use of revolving credit, remaining balance on mortgage/non-mortgage loans is too high, amount owed on revolving accounts is too high, you have not established a long revolving credit history.

 

Positive factors: No missed payments, you have an established credit history, not actively looking for credit, many accounts in good standing.

 

Starting CC balances and limits:

 

CardBalanceLimit% Utilized
Capital One$4,837.00$7,450.0064.93%
Bank of America#1$7,419.25$11,000.0067.45%
Bank of America#2$1,621.91$3,500.0046.34%
Barclaycard$4,654.21$8,900.0052.29%
Chase$0.00$1,500.000.00%
Citibank$9,933.08$16,600.0059.84%
Discover$893.97$5,000.0017.88%
eBay MC$2,514.22$5,800.0043.35%
JCP MC$0.00$6,500.000.00%
Amazon$1,971.09$4,100.0048.08%
Lowe's$4,890.10$8,500.0057.53%
Walmart$1,131.52$5,000.0022.63%
Total$39,866.35$83,850.0047.54%

 

After paying off my CC's one of the things I wanted to do was to consolidate by closing my Walmart, JCP and eBay cards (which I did), and I'm toying with closing some of the others, as well (I know this is a controversial topic on the boards, but I feel it's the right thing for me... just feels like juggling too many balls). In the meantime, I wanted to grow my BofA, Citi DC, Discover and Lowe's cards.

 

Here are the specifics on score movement as card payoff, card CLI, mortgage and TU inq (for BofA CLI) hit since 10/18/17. The grid is up to date as of today.

 

DateEquifaxTransUnionExperian# of Accounts @ $0Overall BalanceUtilizationChange Description
10/18/20176896886872 of 12$39,866.3547.54%**START** (All cards paid off)
10/26/20176926916873 of 12$37,895.2645.19%Amazon reports $0
10/27/20176966996874 of 12$37,001.2944.13%Discover reports $0
11/2/20177057017014 of 12$32,219.5738.43%CapOne reports $55.28
11/5/20177057017014 of 12$32,219.5738.43%New mortgage reports
11/9/20177197307315 of 12$27,565.3632.87%Barclay reports $0
11/10/20177377307315 of 12$20,220.2924.11%BofA#1 reports $74.18
11/11/20177377307315 of 12$18,612.8921.43%BofA#2 reports $14.51 & CLI to $6500 from $3500
11/12/20177497437567 of 12$14,967.1517.23%eBay reports $0; Walmart reports $0
11/13/20177627737568 of 12$10,077.0511.60%Lowes reports $0
11/18/20177847917858 of 12$145.490.17%Citibank reports $1 (sigh)
11/21/20177847847857 of 12$179.490.21%JCP reports $34; BofA inquiry reports on TU
11/26/20177847847857 of 12$179.490.21%Discover reports CLI to $5300 from $5000
11/30/20177827847855 of 10$179.490.23%Walmart reported as closed; Amazon reported as closed
12/1/20177827847854 of 9$179.490.25%eBay reports as closed
12/2/20177847847855 of 9$124.210.17%CapOne reports $0
12/10/20177847847855 of 9$188.030.24%BofA#1 reports $138.00 & CLI to $18700 from $11000
12/11/20177847917856 of 9$173.520.22%BofA#2 reports $0

 

Still working on AZEO (BofA#1, Citi, JCP currently reporting but Citi & JCP should report $0 a few days from now). Here's what my cards look like now (as reported--Citi and Lowe's CLI's yet to report):

 

CardBalanceLimit% Utilized
Capital One$0.00$7,450.000.00%
Bank of America#1$138.00$18,700.000.74%
Bank of America#2$0.00$6,500.000.00%
Barclaycard$0.00$8,900.000.00%
Chase$0.00$1,500.000.00%
Citibank$1.52$16,600.000.01%
Discover$0.00$5,300.000.00%
eBay$0.00$0.00#DIV/0!
JCP$34.00$6,500.000.52%
Amazon$0.00$0.00#DIV/0!
Lowe's$0.00$8,500.000.00%
Walmart$0.00$0.00#DIV/0!
Total$173.52$79,950.000.22%

 

Current score factors:

 

Negative factors: The remaining balance on mortgage/non-mortgage loans is too high.

 

Positive factors: No missed payments, limited the use of revolving accounts, you've shown recent use of credit cards and/or open ended accounts, no public records/collections (TU), many accounts in good standing (EQ/EX).

 

Now that DP and I are no longer spending so much on revolving debt we can save $$. It's very strange to not be living paycheck to paycheck, be able to pay off everything every month and we sometimes wonder if we're missing something. The financial freedom we're feeling is amazing. We're both considering throwing more $$ at our student loans, but not sure if that's the best way to spend our dollars (vs. save or invest). Clearly, since it's the only referenced negative factor on my reports it's probably a good idea so that I'm not standing @ 100%+ util. Would appreciate any advice on this.

 

Anyway, thanks again for reading. Hope you all find the data useful--if there's anything I neglected to note and you're interested please do not hesitate to ask.

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase CSR $43,400 / Citi Double Cash $39,600 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Discover It $26,000 / Gemini $25,000 / JetBlue $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $22,500
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Shooting-For-800
Senior Contributor

Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Congrats!  Enjoy the relief!

Rebuild started in 2014  -  $100k unsecured credit in 2017  -  $500k unsecured credit in 2024.

DON'T WORK FOR CREDIT CARDS ... MAKE CREDIT CARDS WORK FOR YOU!



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jamie123
Valued Contributor

Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Wow! Great job!

You showed everyone the proper use of credit with the way that you refied the house and used that money to take back control of your life! Keep up the good work!

 

IMHO you don't really need to pay down your student loans yet unless the interest rate is high. Your credit scores don't seem to be too affected by the student loan debt and you should be able to obtain any kind of credit that you need even with high loan balances.

 

It is more important that you build an emergency fund of six months salary and then start chipping away at the student loan debt. Make sure not to backslide by carrying CC debt month to month. Make sure to PIF every month from here on out and you will do great!


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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Anonymous
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Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Amazing!

Next step is to set up a high interest checking account you use to make deposits into BEFORE charging something on any credit card. Then PIF before due date to maximize interest-free float but never let your payment checking account balance be lower than credit card balances.

This gives you maximum cash back plus you earn money on your checking balance while waiting for the due dates to come.

AZEO will give you a true foundation of your scores when you get it reporting properly.

Major congrats on one of the few refi stories I would support. Most folks refi themselves into poverty because they refuse to do math. Just witnessed a cash out refi with 8 year left on loan to a new loan of 30 years and taking $90,000 out. Ugh.

Really amazing story and thanks for the data points and sharing!
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atarvuzdar
Established Contributor

Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Thanks for the words of encouragement and insight, all! Working on savings for sure and the high interest checking account sounds worthwhile!

 

As for the data points, I'll update the post once I hit AZEO (should be in the coming days).

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase CSR $43,400 / Citi Double Cash $39,600 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Discover It $26,000 / Gemini $25,000 / JetBlue $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $22,500
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Anonymous
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Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Major congrats! Looking forward to seeing your final scores update.

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atarvuzdar
Established Contributor

Re: Data Points - Mortgage Refi & CC Payoffs

Received the last of my alerts today for achieving AZEO. I was waiting on Citi and JCP to report $0 and for the CLI on Citi & Lowes to report. Here are the updates:

 

DateEquifaxTransUnionExperian# of Accounts @ $0Overall BalanceUtilizationChange Description
12/17/20177847917856 of 9$173.520.19%Lowes reports CLI to $20000 from $8500
12/18/20177847917857 of 9$172.000.18%Citibank reports $0 & CLI to $18600 from $16600
12/20/20177847867857 of 9$172.000.18%?? 30 days after BofA inquiry?
12/23/20177847877858 of 9$138.000.15%JCP reports $0

 

 

No updates on EQ nor EX for going from 3 out of 9 cards reporting a balance to AZEO.

 

TU saw a weird 5 point decrease on 12/20/17. The only thing I could think is that this was 30 days after my BofA CLI inquiry, however I thought inq impact was immediate for everything except mortgage inquiries? Maybe TU was confused because I had recently been mortgage shopping in September? I pulled my quarterly 3B report today on this site and nothing at all is out of the ordinary. Any thoughts would be welcome.

 

TU did also see a 1 point increase after this dip when I achieved AZEO today.

 

So it doesn't look like there's much of a difference in impact for me between having one third of all cards reporting $0 and only one card reporting zero. In fact, EQ in particular seems to be happy that I simply have most cards reporting $0 since that score hasn't changed since I had only 4 of 9 cards with balances (two point difference between that and when 5 of 9 had balances). Only TU seems to have slightly changed.

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase CSR $43,400 / Citi Double Cash $39,600 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Discover It $26,000 / Gemini $25,000 / JetBlue $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $22,500
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