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Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

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SouthJamaica
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Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

I've always thought that credit mix includes open and closed accounts.

 

This MyFICO blog post suggests that closing an account takes it out of the credit mix calculation.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

I'm going to go with whoever wrote that either misspoke or just got it wrong.

 

I think it's easy enough to prove looking the "rating" you get from Experian.  All you need to find is someone with many different types of closed credit accounts on their report, but only (say) revolvers open.  My guess is that they'd still have an "exceptional" rating.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?


@SouthJamaica wrote:

I've always thought that credit mix includes open and closed accounts.

 

This MyFICO blog post suggests that closing an account takes it out of the credit mix calculation.


Closed installment accounts definitely count toward mix. That was specifically mentioned in Liz Weston's National Bestseller book:  Your Credit Score, How to Improve The 3-Digit Number That Shapes Your Financial Future, 4th edition. The same statement suggests that revolving accounts must be open (I interpret this as including PLOC/HELOC and open accounts in addition to credit cards). [statement on page 25 of the updated 5th edition]

Liz quote.jpg

She acknowledges the following Fair Isaac sources:

Craig Watts, Ryan Sjoblad, Lamont Boyd, Barry Paperno, Anthony Spauve, Christina Goethe and David Shellenberger. Another "go to" source was John Ulzeheimer. John did stints at Fair Isaac and Equifax before starting is own business.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm going to go with whoever wrote that either misspoke or just got it wrong.

 

I think it's easy enough to prove looking the "rating" you get from Experian.  All you need to find is someone with many different types of closed credit accounts on their report, but only (say) revolvers open.  My guess is that they'd still have an "exceptional" rating.


I tend to agree with you, but the source of the blog post is MyFICO.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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SouthJamaica
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

I've always thought that credit mix includes open and closed accounts.

 

This MyFICO blog post suggests that closing an account takes it out of the credit mix calculation.


Closed installment accounts definitely count toward mix. That was specifically mentioned in Liz Weston's National Bestseller book:  Your Credit Score, How to Improve The 3-Digit Number That Shapes Your Financial Future, 4th edition. The same statement suggests that revolving accounts must be open (I interpret this as including PLOC/HELOC and open accounts in addition to credit cards). [statement on page 25 of the updated 5th edition]

Liz quote.jpg

She acknowledges the following Fair Isaac sources:

Craig Watts, Ryan Sjoblad, Lamont Boyd, Barry Paperno, Anthony Spauve, Christina Goethe and David Shellenberger. Another "go to" source was John Ulzeheimer. John did stints at Fair Isaac and Equifax before starting is own business.


All right then, since you and BrutalBodyShots agree with my earlier supposition, I'll disregard the MyFICO blog post.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

I guess I question the source.  "myFico Team" is a bit vague, as that could be any number of people that may not necessarily know more than some of the forum members here.

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Anonymous
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

I think I can reconcile it. Remember, Mix is made up of three scoring factors: diversity, number of bankcards, and loan:revolver ratio.


I believe an open or closed loan or revolver satisfies the diversity metric, but only open bankcards count towards the quantity of bankcards Scoring Metric, in my humble opinion. 

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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:


I believe an open or closed loan or revolver satisfies the diversity metric, but only open bankcards count towards the quantity of bankcards Scoring Metric, in my humble opinion. 


What leads you to believe that closed bankcards don't count the same as open ones?

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Anonymous
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Re: Do closed accounts count in credit mix?

Those articles
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