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FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

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Varsity_Lu
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Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@FICOdawg wrote:

What's the trick to get over 800?


PIF on time. Full stop.

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Varsity_Lu
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Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@Patient957 wrote:

@Kforce wrote:

The good side of this is that 40k @ 18% can be paid off in <  year with your income


Which is why income doesn't factor in to credit score.  If there's such a big income, you should be able to quickly pay off the debt.  The fact that the big debt exists despite the high income suggests there might be an issue.  It's a warning sign.

 

Stated another way, nobody carries $40K debt at 18% unless they have to.


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This.

 

The OP makes $200k a year and has no mortgage. And they are going to take 10 months to pay off $41k? Something seems off here.

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Varsity_Lu
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Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

A score that measures debt management, not wealth is a valuable tool for lenders.


If more people understand this one statement it would eliminate a lot of frustration and help them make better decisions.

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FICOdawg
Established Member

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

@Varsity_Lu  Sure, but my case is example of the MANY blind spots to FICO scoring.     I could have easily taken a mortgage and paid the CC.   That would have been a dumb move as I benefited by being a cash buyer when I bought my place which will be far more savings than the interest I'll pay while chopping the balances down.

The formula treats CC debt in the same manner.    My initial $41k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things but for another person could be crushing debt.        The formula doesn't know the difference.    I have multiple ways to pay the remaining balance off today (would be bad financial move to do so).   FICO has no way to know that.     

 

Im on a FICO page so the biases are strong.  I get it.   FICO scoring has massive flaws in it.      

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FICOdawg
Established Member

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

@Varsity_Lu  Nothing is off lol   It's called divorce my friend.   Where a judge gets to weigh in on division of assets.      

Dividing assets means either pay the other party to buy them out or liquidate.      

if I laid this out in detail, 100/100 people would say yep, I'd have done the same thing...

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FICOdawg
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Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

@Varsity_Lu 

 

This is the bias of this page.   The world is not just about FICO scores.

 

Im a poster child to prove my point.   Had I just focused on FICO scores I would have cost myself more money.   

advice here is don't just project your own circumstances into this.      

I'll scream from a roof top that FICO scoring is a complete scam.   I'm proof positive.      A broke clock is right twice a day.   Direct analogy to FICO models.

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Varsity_Lu
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@FICOdawg wrote:

@Varsity_Lu  Sure, but my case is example of the MANY blind spots to FICO scoring.     I could have easily taken a mortgage and paid the CC.   That would have been a dumb move as I benefited by being a cash buyer when I bought my place which will be far more savings than the interest I'll pay while chopping the balances down.

The formula treats CC debt in the same manner.    My initial $41k is peanuts in the grand scheme of things but for another person could be crushing debt.        The formula doesn't know the difference.    I have multiple ways to pay the remaining balance off today (would be bad financial move to do so).   FICO has no way to know that.     

 

Im on a FICO page so the biases are strong.  I get it.   FICO scoring has massive flaws in it.      


I don't think there is bias. I just think you need to rethink what FICO really is and not get frustrated by what it isn't.

 

I have been a cash-only guy for many, many years. No loans at all.  I make a good salary, have a good retirement savings, an emergency nest egg, and had $70k cash sitting in the bank to build and addition to my house. Lowe's denied me a card when I tried to buy $10k in lumber to get an 18 month same as cash deal they were offering.  Seriously. I am the last person they should deny. But it's because FICO does not measure wealth. It measures how well you handle debt. In my case, not having debt for a long time raised a lot of questions as to whether I could manage debt. In your case, the banks only see $41k at 89%. I know you don't like it and think it's unfair, but it is what it is. If you accept that you can work with it with less frustration.

 

Like I said earlier, my score went from unscorable to 812 very quickly without any loans. It can be done. Of all the factors involved, utilization is the quickest and easiet to fix.

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FICOdawg
Established Member

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

@Varsity_Lu 


Marriott balance will be done in couple months.   Once I get United card until 49% I expect to be over 750.     Not much I can do other than pay as fast as reasonable possible.  

I preserved my retirement accounts through the divorce and bought a home mortgage free.   I'm pretty sure FICO scores are irrelevant in assessing how I manage debt.....

 

Your own example further proves my point.  

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

As often said, finances before Fico.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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FICOdawg
Established Member

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

For sure both are important but chasing a FICO score could lead to some really dumb financial decisions.   

My score of only 709 and around 60+% total utilization of my total revolving credit and still getting CC offers.     The CC companies don't ever want you to escape the hamster wheel lol.



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