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FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

Credit Karma

611 TU <---- wat?

646 EQ

 

Sesame/Creditwise/any other vantage site that pulls TU

611 TU <--- again, wat?

 

FICO8s from here

 

651 EX (confirmed by discover scorecard)

657 TU (confirmed by synchrony on my walmart and amazon cards)

650 EQ (yet to be confirmed but is in line with the vantagescore from CK)

 

I consider the score "confirmed" if it is within 5-10 points of another source. (since a payment might not have yet posted affectng Util, on the monthly discover pull that i get 2 weeks before myFico's pull, etc)

 

 

I am baffled about that 611 (it dropped like a rock when a chargeoff got changed  from open to closed status... its legit miscalculating AAoA, it was counting the old collections as an open revolving account for some insane reason, thats the only explanation I have, and furthermore it has yet to come back up after a month and four new updates),  Either way the account has been in collections for over 2 years, and is due to drop off in about 24  months at any rate (original deliquency was back in 2012, wasnt reported until 2015).

 

Every other  score i have access to except for vantage scores TU in the 650 range like the rest of my scores.  The really weird part is after my meticulous spree of disputes and so on, all three reports are pretty homogenous.  Only one account is different from TU to EX (EQ doesnt list it at all, never has), but in FICO there is no difference (that one chargeoff), but in vantage its like LOLWTFBBQ.

 

I dont get it.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

Below is a list of Non-Fico score ranges by model.

 

Equifax (4/2017)CreditReal WorldModel
Score DescriptionModel VersionScore RangeScore Range
VantageScore 3.0VS 3.0300 - 839300 - 850
VantageScore 2.0VS 2.0501 - 990501 - 990
EQ Equifax credit scoreProprietary from EQ 280 - 850
EQ Auto Insurance RiskLexisNexis CBIS 300 - 997
EQ Property Insurance RiskLexisNexis CBIS 300 - 997
EQ PrivacyGuardCreditXpert 350 - 850
TransUnion (4/2017)CreditReal WorldModel
Score DescriptionModel VersionScore RangeScore Range
TU VantageScore 3.0VS 3.0300 - 839300 - 850
TU VantageScore 2.0VS 2.0501 - 990501 - 990
TU Equifax Credit ScoreProprietary from EQ 280 - 850
TU Home Insurance RiskTU CBIS model150 - 950150 - 950
TU Auto Insurance RiskTU CBIS model150 - 950150 - 950
TU PrivacyGuardCreditXpert 350 - 850
Experian (4/2017)CreditReal WorldModel
Score DescriptionModel VersionScore RangeScore Range
EX VantageScore 3.0VS 3.0300 - 850300 - 850
EX VantageScore 2.0VS 2.05?? - 990501 - 990
EX Equifax Credit ScoreProprietary from EQ 280 - 850
EX National EquivalencyProprietary from EX 360 - 840
EX Plus ScoreProprietary from EX 330 - 830
EX PrivacyGuardCreditXpert 350 - 850
Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

My credit karma says tu 764 and it's vantage 3.0

My Walmart FICO says tu 770 and it's FICO score 8.0

It would seem ck is usually lower.
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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories


@Anonymous wrote:

It's not enough to know that FICO is more used than any other scoring company (the answer is obvious).  Your own FICO can vary by more than 100 pts depending on which credit bureau you're looking at as well as which scoring model.  The variance is just as high as when comparing FAKO to any of your FICO scores, and hence cannot be relied upon.  The best you can do is know which specific scoring model is mostly used and then use that as a guideline.  If you're concerned about getting a mortgage, this scoring model is much different than for credit cards, or an auto, etc.  The point is, everything is in context and a specific FAKO score has roughly equal informational value as any random FICO specific model score, as each one can be just as innacurate when it comes to what you're applying for.  If you really want to know your overall credit health, its not enough to pay attention to only one scoring model/methodology.


^ Quite true. Fico scores can and do vary substantially among the various models. Each CRA was granted the ability to tweak the varoius Fico scoring algorithms to suit their specific taste up to and including Fico 8. For the most part this "tweaking" was eliminated with the Fico 9 rollout. The VantageScore algorithm is applied uniformly by the CRAs. No surprise here as the three CRAs jointly developed the model.

 

The older Fico models used for mortgages typically treat collections and lates more harshly than the newer Fico 8 and Fico 9 models. In some cases newer models may ignore a collection if it is paid and/or a small $$$ amount. As a result, it is not uncommon for profiles a small collection and possibly an islotaed 30 day late to score 100 points lower on the older Fico 04 and Fico 98 models (relative to Fico 8 or Fico 9).

 

Even those with clean files and identical information on all three CRA reports can experience large differences in Fico scores. This happened to me when I let all six of my cards report small balances - result pasted below. [for reference VantageScore 3.0 scores remained stready in the low 830s]. Key point is to know what flavor of Fico and what CRA (or CRAs) your creditor plans to pull your score/report from.

 

Pre qualification letters for credit cards are generally not the same as pre-approvals. If you get a pre-qual letter and then apply for a card, there is usually a HP for a credit check as part of the approval process which includes a Fico score "review". Best I can tell is VS3 is used for establishing pre-qual solicitation lists but Fico and/or internal models along with income info are used for approvals.

 

EQ Fico score smackdown.jpg

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

I started really looking at my credit in May 2017, and my Vantage scores were in the LOW 600s.  They peaked around 713 in July-August and have settled in around 677-678, per Capital One (TU Vantage 3.0) and WalletHub (TU V3) with very little movement.  They will drop 13-14 points one day and rebound by the same amount a day or two later and that's IT.

Meanwhile CreditKarma's Vantage scores are 664 TU and 571 EQ?!?

AMEX has me at 710 with Experian FICO 8 and MABT has me at 733 on Experian Bankcard 9.0

My mortgage banker pulled scores on me in October that were as follows:

EXP 687 FICO 2.0

TU 663 Classic 4.0

EQ 616 Beacon 5.0

 

The FICO scores keep climbing steadily, while the Vantage scores are stagnant.  This whole process is maddening.  In the interest of not driving myself nuts, I think I just need to concentrate on keeping balances low, paying accounts down and paying them off completely and as long as my FICO scores keep nudging upward we're good to go.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

My CK scores haven’t changed in the past week, but in one day, my CK approval odds have changed radically across almost all of the credit cards for which they provide odds. Many cards that yesterday CK said I had Very Good odds for approval shifted to Fair. I subscribe to all 3 credit bureaus and my scores with them have also not changed in the past week. Has anyone else had this happen? Is something going on that may have caused this? 

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

My FICO scores and my FAKO scores are pretty close. Close enough for the chance of reporting time errors. One of the places that I get a FAKO score is from Experian. Somehow I won the prize  a few years and I get a free daily credit report and a CS. The problem is that the score seldom changes. It's been stuck at 735 for over six months. This has happened before and I em'd EX. It went up slightly a few days later. It's nice getting the free CR. Other scores have me in the 765 range, both FICO and FAKO.

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

Welp my Fico8 EQ is up to 717

 

CK is still bound and determined to keep me at 620 forever

 

Seems legit.

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Remedios
Credit Mentor

Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

I don't know at which point they diverge, but my EQ VS score and Fico XD were almost identical in October.
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO vs. FAKO – Share your FAKO stories

My EQ score provided by my EQ subscription has also become equal to the EQ score provided by myFico,  but I’ve never been sure that the score provided by EQ is truly a V3 score.

 

My TU scores provided on CK and TU subscription have always been identical, but the EQ subscription score has always been about 60 points less than the CK EQ score. And EQ has never been the same as the EQ on myFico, until last Oct. The two have been identical since.

 

Is it possible that EQ has begun providing FICO instead of whatever it was they were using previously?

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