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Fico 8 versus Fico 9 and Student Loans

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Fico 8 versus Fico 9 and Student Loans

Are student loans scored differently with Fico 8 versus 9?   The reason I ask is that my utilization is about 2% when looking at CK, Discover, my Experian report, etc.   When I look at my scores from NFCU  (which says its a Fico 9 score)  it says that my utilization is negative and gives the following explanation but does not tell me the % of my utilization:  

 

 

The proportion of loan balances to loan amounts is too high

FICO® Scores weigh the balances of mortgage and non-mortgage installment loans (such as auto or student loans) against the original loan amounts shown on a person’s credit report. Your score was impacted because your proportion of installment loan balances to the original loan amounts is too high.
KEEP IN MIND: In general, when a person first obtains an installment loan, the balance is high. A person with a loan balance that is high in relation to the original loan amount tends to be viewed as more risky to lenders.

 

Interestingly, my Fico 9 with NFCU is in the low 700's and about 30 points higher than my Fico 8 from other sources even with this high utilization.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 versus Fico 9 and Student Loans

Revolving utilization and installment utilization are computed completely separately.

 

If you see a credit monitoring tool (like Karma, etc.) refer to your "utilization" (typically giving it as a percent) it is without a doubt refering to revolving to your revolving utilization -- it has nothing to do with your installment accounts.

 

The FICO 8 and FICO 9 models do indeed, however, look at your open installment accounts and compare the amount you currently owe compared with the original loan amount.  The concept is much the same as revolving utilization, though as I mentioned the two things are computed separately.  Many people here on the forums call this "installment utilization" -- others may call it B/L ratio (balance to original loan amount).

 

Can you tell us the current balance and original loan amount for each of your open loans?  Something like this:

 

Loan 1.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

Loan 2.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

Loan 3.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

etc.

 

Indicate which of those are student loans and of those SLs which are in deferment.

 

Also curious to see your revolving accounts, again like this:

 

Card 1.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

Card 2.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

Card 3.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

etc.

 

If you can show us a screenshot of the NFCU screen (with you say is claiming that you have a negative utilization) that would be interesting.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 versus Fico 9 and Student Loans

Thanks for answering.  This is what it looks like:

Student Loan 1 111k/120k (Balance/Original) - not in deferment

Card 1  230/4000  (Balance / Credit Limit)

Card 2   250/1400

Card 3   0/500

Card 4   0/4000

Card 5   0/250

Card 6   0/400

Card 7   0/6500

Card 8   0/6000                                 

 

I also have one installment loan

Loan 1  230/1400   (Balance / Original Amt)


@Anonymouswrote:

Revolving utilization and installment utilization are computed completely separately.

 

If you see a credit monitoring tool (like Karma, etc.) refer to your "utilization" (typically giving it as a percent) it is without a doubt refering to revolving to your revolving utilization -- it has nothing to do with your installment accounts.

 

The FICO 8 and FICO 9 models do indeed, however, look at your open installment accounts and compare the amount you currently owe compared with the original loan amount.  The concept is much the same as revolving utilization, though as I mentioned the two things are computed separately.  Many people here on the forums call this "installment utilization" -- others may call it B/L ratio (balance to original loan amount).

 

Can you tell us the current balance and original loan amount for each of your open loans?  Something like this:

 

Loan 1.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

Loan 2.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

Loan 3.  Balance = ____    Original Loan Amount = ____

etc.

 

Indicate which of those are student loans and of those SLs which are in deferment.

 

Also curious to see your revolving accounts, again like this:

 

Card 1.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

Card 2.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

Card 3.  Balance = ____    Credit Limit = ____

etc.

 

If you can show us a screenshot of the NFCU screen (with you say is claiming that you have a negative utilization) that would be interesting.



                                      

  

NFCU does not show a negative utilization.  It lists my utilization as negatively impacting my score.

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