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General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread, pub.5.17.20

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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20

As posted in post 1, see the following which supports my theory:

 

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credit:CassieCard 

-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20

So the 89% installment utilization thing being a point threshold has me wondering something.

Could I theoretically manipulate mine by doing a SSL and paying it down? Looking at my numbers, if I opened a $5400 one and paid it down to $100 right away, it would drop my overall IL utilization to 89.91%. That should net me ~15 points I'd guess.

Or am I missing some kind of big part of it?

Just theoretical. In 5 months the utilization would organically fall below 89% anyway, but it does seem like a way that could get an easy score boost for people with new loans at high balance % which means it has more benefit than *just* early credit building.
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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@ccquest wrote:
So the 89% installment utilization thing being a point threshold has me wondering something.

Could I theoretically manipulate mine by doing a SSL and paying it down? Looking at my numbers, if I opened a $5400 one and paid it down to $100 right away, it would drop my overall IL utilization to 89.91%. That should net me ~15 points I'd guess.

Or am I missing some kind of big part of it?

Just theoretical. In 5 months the utilization would organically fall below 89% anyway, but it does seem like a way that could get an easy score boost for people with new loans at high balance % which means it has more benefit than *just* early credit building.

@ccquest I don't know if there is a threshold at 90% for installment, although there could be. I did get a couple points around there, but it could've been a balance threshold. I was dipping under 20K, but the points there were very few, you don't get decent points til you hit the 65% threshold or the big points at the 10% threshold.

-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@Birdman7 wrote:

As posted in post 1, see the following which supports my theory:

 

09A96099-9E67-4D42-9344-982E6EF1CD62.png

 

credit:CassieCard 


Community, I made an error and I want to acknowledge and correct it. I inserted the wrong slide for a sample scorecard in post one and in mix and above. I have corrected that now with the correct slide and corrected the attribution.

 

The other slide was actually teaching how the reason codes are generated in the order of precedence. I apologize for my oversight, it has been corrected and that slide is now under negative reason codes. 

 

Thanks!

-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@ccquest wrote:
So the 89% installment utilization thing being a point threshold has me wondering something.

Could I theoretically manipulate mine by doing a SSL and paying it down? Looking at my numbers, if I opened a $5400 one and paid it down to $100 right away, it would drop my overall IL utilization to 89.91%. That should net me ~15 points I'd guess.

@ccquest: 89.91 is 90% after rounding. Did you mean to type 88.91?

 

You want to be at less than 90% after rounding. 89.5+ wouldn't make it.

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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@ccquest wrote:
So the 89% installment utilization thing being a point threshold has me wondering something.

Could I theoretically manipulate mine by doing a SSL and paying it down? Looking at my numbers, if I opened a $5400 one and paid it down to $100 right away, it would drop my overall IL utilization to 89.91%. That should net me ~15 points I'd guess.

Or am I missing some kind of big part of it?

Just theoretical. In 5 months the utilization would organically fall below 89% anyway, but it does seem like a way that could get an easy score boost for people with new loans at high balance % which means it has more benefit than *just* early credit building.

@ccquest but if there is a threshold at 90%, yes you could manipulate it with a second loan and put aggregate installment utilization at <89.5%, as Cassie said. 

-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


RIP:
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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20

Updated Payment History and Mix. 

@LaHossBoss 

-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


RIP:
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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@CassieCard wrote:

@ccquest: 89.91 is 90% after rounding. Did you mean to type 88.91?

 

You want to be at less than 90% after rounding. 89.5+ wouldn't make it.


I was figuring it would be truncated instead of rounded like dollar amounts, but forgot that utilization is actually rounding instead.

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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20

Also remember balances are truncated individually per account before they are reported to the bureau, not after they’re totaled.
-Our Community’s updated scoring wisdom: Link to Scoring Primer.
-For Negative Reason Codes see: CassieCard’s Score Factors thread.
-ccquest’s workbook to calculate metrics for you: Link to Workbook.

Oct 2020 New Account Scorecard.Nov 2020, No New Account Scorecard (reassignment conflated with aging. EX9 not updated yet. Oldest/avg varies. Estimates above.)
Real world mortgage maxes are: EQ5-818, TU4-839, EX2-844.


RIP:
(Everything said is JMHO and is not endorsed by FICO or MF. I have no affiliation with either, just a grateful member.)
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Re: General Scoring Primer and Version 8 Master Thread rev.5.17.20


@Birdman7 wrote:

 

D. Revolver:Loan Ratio

 

Revolver:Loan Ratio is a scoring factor at EQ8 and although the exact ideal ratio is unknown, it's believed to be 3:1 or 4:1. Link.  Code 84.


Do we know that EQ8 code 84 is referring to revolver:loan ratio and not just the number of installment loans?  The reason statement and explanation only talk about the latter.


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