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HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

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HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

My husband and I traded our vehicle in for a newer car, before we did the trade, we never missed a payment, and it was always on time.  We got the new car in August before the next payment was due.  We signed all of the paperwork with the new dealership, and they were sending the previous dealership a check for the payoff amount.  In September, my husband and I both received a fico alert.  He lost 75points, and I lost 50 points because the previous dealership said they  never received a check from the current dealership.  I stated to them, that the car was no longer in our name and we signed everything over, so they shouldn't have reported us for being late.  We both opened up a dispute with Equifax., During that  the time,  the previous dealership received the payoff check and repported us Paid As Agreed, 0 balnce, account closed.  Thirty days later Equifax resolved the dispute, however, they deleted the entire tradeline from both of our accounts instead of them just removing the the late payment entry.  I had to speak to a supervisor.  They put the tradeline back, but they put it back with Paid As Agreed with a balance.  I explained to them that initially, it was Paid As Agreed, 0 balnce, account closed, and they needed to change it back.  This week, I got an alert, that it was changed correctly, no affect on the credit score, however, my husband lost another 40 points  for them correcting a mistake that they made.  How is that even possible?  How is it possible that once they late payment  was removed, we never received the points back that we lost?

 

I don't know what to to do. or who I should talk to.  Technically, my credit score is suppose to the 50 pts higher than what it is, and my husband's score is suppose to be 115pt higher. Any advice on how we can get this corrected or has anyone been in the same boat?

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Anonymous
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

Has the new tradeline/Loan reported yet?  New account/Drop in AAoA.

 

You will always lose points when closing installment loans, especially if it's your only installment loan. As long as your reports are clean and the reporting is the way it should be I'd wait it out. Your scores will come back. Verify the open and closed dates are accurate as well as the payment history. 

 

In the future if you have been given a late payment and it's an obvious error. Always call the OC first. Disputing a tradeline is dangerous business. You're lucky the CRA even brought it back for you.

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Anonymous
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I initiatlly contacted the OC, they said they did not put the late payment there, so there was nothing to remove, however, there was, which is why I disputed with Equifax to have it removed, the new tradeline was already reported.  When the original tradeline was closed, i actually gained 40pts.  I only lost points when they wrongly reported my husband and I late.  I lost 50pts, and he lost 75pts.  The dispute was opened because the OC said they didn't report us late.  Equiafax made the mistake of deleting the entire tradeline, which they admitted to.  When they put it bactk, my husband lost 40 more pts, and I didn't lose anye thing.  The issue is why we didn't get back the points we lost from the late payment, and why would my husbannd lose an additional 40pts after Equifax corrected the mistake, they took  away the points he gained for the account closing?

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Anonymous
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

Wait it out.... Everythingay not be up to date with your monitoring as well its possible you may have been rebucketed. It may take a few cycles for things to work themselves out. As stated before if the reporting is correct the only negative you will see is the hits for inquiries, new accounts, and drop in AAoA.
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sun_shine64
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

Hello,

 

"You will always lose points when closing installment loans, especially if it's your only installment loan."  

 

 May I ask why this happens? We were able to just pay off a few smaller auto loans (we still have two more)  thinking that paying off debt is a good thing and sure enough, I'm thinking my scores would improve with having less debt, but noooo, my credit scores dropped. We've been working SO hard to bring our scores up after an automobile accident almost put us in bankruptcy. Medical bills piled up and the other attorney and the guy at fault took 4 years to settle. It's been pure heck trying to fix our credit scores after those bills ended up in collection as they weren't my responsibility but I had to pay them and couldn't afford the astronomical payment amounts requested.

Just totally dejected over this. We are wanting to buy both another car and buy a home. Oy.

 

Thank you!

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LianaCCB
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

Anything new - new inquiries, new accounts - will always cause a dip in scores. With all the changes of the late, taking off the account, and putting it back on, the scores may not have adjusted yet. Plus, if the new dealer ran your credit, the inquiries may be what's keeping the scores down, even with the late removed. Car dealerships are one of the biggest inquiry offendors - they will run your report 100 times to find you the best rate, while tanking your scores in the process.

Liana
4+ years of experience in the business credit industry
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Anonymous
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!


@sun_shine64 wrote:

Hello,

 

"You will always lose points when closing installment loans, especially if it's your only installment loan."  

 

 May I ask why this happens? We were able to just pay off a few smaller auto loans (we still have two more)  thinking that paying off debt is a good thing and sure enough, I'm thinking my scores would improve with having less debt, but noooo, my credit scores dropped. We've been working SO hard to bring our scores up after an automobile accident almost put us in bankruptcy. Medical bills piled up and the other attorney and the guy at fault took 4 years to settle. It's been pure heck trying to fix our credit scores after those bills ended up in collection as they weren't my responsibility but I had to pay them and couldn't afford the astronomical payment amounts requested.

Just totally dejected over this. We are wanting to buy both another car and buy a home. Oy.

 

Thank you!


The short answer.....

 

Your credit score is based on risk that you will default. The higher the score the less risk you present.

 

In FICO's observation of people, those who have open installment loans typically default less than people who don't have one open.

 

That's really all there is to it. Personally I'll trade 15-20 points to be debt free anyday. 

 

 

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sun_shine64
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!

EricDet,

 

I would also rather be debt free. It's just I had 5 installment loans. I paid off 3 of them, I still have 2 left, my score still dropped. I'm also reading that because I am disputing other information I foung that's incorrect, that filing the dispute will also lower my score? Oy, I'm just trying to get all my ducks in a row as we are looking into purchasing a home and needing another vehicle at the same time. Unfortunately we started with the vehicle first and I asked the dealer to not send our information out to more than 3 banks/CUs and they turned around and spammed out our information to 8 different financial institutions. I was so angry we just walked away from them because we obviously couldn't trust them, which in turn now leaves us with still needing to get said vehicle and still needing financing. We're in a very unfortunate situation at the moment that's why I was doing what I thought was correct in trying to lower debt/raise score.


Thank you!

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MarineVietVet
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Re: HUGE SCORE DROP! Advice Please!


@Anonymous wrote:

Has the new tradeline/Loan reported yet?  New account/Drop in AAoA.

 

You will always lose points when closing installment loans, especially if it's your only installment loan. As long as your reports are clean and the reporting is the way it should be I'd wait it out. Your scores will come back. Verify the open and closed dates are accurate as well as the payment history. 

 

In the future if you have been given a late payment and it's an obvious error. Always call the OC first. Disputing a tradeline is dangerous business. You're lucky the CRA even brought it back for you.


We need to be careful about using the word "always" when it comes to credit. The acronym "YMMV" usually applies.

 

Admittedly FICO 08 seems to be very sensitive to no installment loans reporting but as long as there are other such loans the impact of closing an installment loan has not shown to be all that crucial for most people.

 

But again YMMV.

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