After months of phone calls, letters and plenty of wasted time, Citi was finally able to get my revolver to report again after > 5 months of it not updating. I was waiting on that in order to pull all of my FICO scores, as I wanted my profile in the best possible place first. This was my first time doing the $30/mo membership from MF here in order to receive the 3B report/28 scores, which I'll cancel in a couple of weeks before getting billed again. All of the scores I got are listed below. The scores listed are generated based on the following profile data:
Score 8: 850
Score 2: 825
Auto Score 8: 885
Auto Score 2: 859
Bankcard Score 8: 899
Score 3: 824
Bankcard Score 2: 852
Score 9: 840
Auto Score 9: 860
Bankcard Score 9: 852
Score 8: 850
Score 4: 819
Auto Score 8: 893
Auto Score 4: 860
Bankcard Score 8: 896
Bankcard Score 4: 851
Score 9: 846
Auto Score 9: 864
Bankcard Score 9: 857
Score 8: 850
Score 5: 813
Auto Score 8: 877
Auto Score 5: 831
Bankcard Score 8: 884
Bankcard Score 5: 835
Score 9: 841
Auto Score 9: 865
Bankcard Score 9: 851
From those more in the know than myself, do any of the scores above relative to one another and taking into consideration my profile data seem either higher or lower than expected? This was my first time seeing my FICO 9 scores. I'm assuming it's "harder" to reach 850 on FICO 9 than FICO 8? What on my profile is preventing 850's on FICO 9 when I've got them on FICO 8 currently? I'm also curious what I'm missing in order to achieve 900 BCE scores. Thank you for any insight and feedback.
Congrats on the 850, and congrats on the rest of the high scores.
I don't have insight into FICO 9. Mine from the latest report are very close to my FICO 8 at the time.
I'm pretty sure that my 850's may have some buffer built in on them. I started a thread on it a week or two back, where I went from AZEO to AZ and my TU score stayed at 850. From knowing that this has resulted in a 16 point drop in the past (before I was at 850) to me that suggested that I could be at a buffered "866" or so on TU FICO 8. That being said, if my FICO 9 on TU is 846 that could suggest around a 20 point variance between them.
I know some people report their FICO 8 scores higher than their FICO 9's, but others have reported the opposite. I'm just wondering if there's something obvious that's holding me back from "perfect" 850's on FICO 9.
FWIW, my two previous reports, November 2018 and April 2018, comparing FICO 8 and FICO 9
Interesting flip-flop on the Fico 8 vs Fico 9 scores. It would be helpful to know profile details associated with each snapshot. Also, do you have a hypothesis based on your internal review.
For me Classic Fico 9 is rock solid at 850 on all CRAs every 3B report. By comparison my TU fico 8 dropped to 845 once and 848 another time using the same 3B data set. I have not been able to pinpoint the cause of the greater sensitivity on Fico 8. Perhaps Fico 9 puts less weight on # accounts with balances and individual card utilization - reallocating some points to alternate attributes. One or more of said attributes may not even be looked at in Fico 8.
On a related matter, my industry specific Fico 8 scores are almost always significantly higher than the Fico 9 counterparts. Again, not sure why but, I do know some industry option Fico 9 scores actually top out below 900. There have been a few threads discussing F9 vs F8 in the past. One example is pasted below. I may add a couple more links if I find them.
Note to BBS - take a look at aging factors that may be sub optimal possibly open loan AAoA, AoOA. Perhaps all loan AAoA and AoOA. It is possible these are more heavily weighted on Fico 9 - although only EX considers open only as a Fico attribute as I recall.
What is your list of open revolvers? Limits?
What is your utilization on the mortgage?
Mortgage is at 75% utilization; it's about 10 years old.
8 open revolvers with limits ranging from $6k to $50k. The $6k is Blispay which is as good as dead near as I can tell, so I'm likely going to close that in the relative near future. That will put my lowest of the 7 remaining revolvers at $10k. ACL is currently ~$24,100 and would move to ~$26,700 if I drop Blispay.
I don't believe I've gone more than 2-3 cycles without any of my cards (aside from Blispay) reporting a balance.
Note to BBS - take a look at aging factors that may be sub optimal possibly open loan AAoA, AoOA. Perhaps all loan AAoA and AoOA. It is possible these are more heavily weighted on Fico 9 - although only EX cionsiders open only as a Fico attribute as I recall.
So it's possible that TU and EQ are taking into consideration closed loans? I would think if anything that would help my profile, as I have an older mortgage and older auto loans relative to my AAoA. I would definitely think that me not having an open auto loan currently would adversely impact my Auto scores.
When talking clean files (as I know there are some dirty differences between F8 and F9) is that a common attribute between files that generate a higher F9 score than their comparable F8? Perhaps it is age of accounts related and those with higher Score 9's have older age of accounts factors?
Interesting. I wonder if in fact it is due to age?? My Fico 9 scores are higher (TU @ 850), than my Fico 8. And I have 2 scorable inquiries on EX, 1 on the others. TU is clean but I have a 30D from 12/2012 on EQ and EX from a closed acct.
As of 1/9/19:
1% aggregate / 2% individual
3 out of 10 revolvers reporting ( 1 LOC & 2 CC)
5 out 12 account reporting (1 auto @ 37% UTL, 1 MTG @ 97% UTL)
AoYA - 5M
AoOA - 22Y10M
AAoA - 11Y5M
Thanks for that reply above. Your AoOA and AAoA factors are definitely a handful of years higher than mine, so this could suggest that those top end thresholds are higher for FICO 9 than FICO 8. I also wonder if FICO 9 prefers the presence of an open auto loan. I closed an auto loan a little less than a year ago... I wish I had pulled all of my FICO scores prior in order to access those FICO 9's at the time, but I didn't even consider it at the time.
Is that 30D late your only negative item? If so you've got pretty strong evidence there that a single minor delinquency can adversely impact score for the full 7 years. If that's the case, it looks like you'd stand to gain 40-50 points this year at some point, possibly as early as this summer with potential EE.