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So my FICO8 is capped at 774 not even AZEO helps (was: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2)

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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

By the way, I can’t remember exactly the limit. I thought it was $35,000 but then I think somebody at $29K was excluded, but if you use a card with a CL under $25K, it should work fine for FICO 2.
For a collection of our current FICO scoring wisdom, updated as we learn, read the following. Watch the revision dates on the bottom of the first 8 posts as they are regularly updated: Link to Scoring Primer.



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Scores updated May 2020, unless otherwise noted. 5 revolvers reporting a balance, where it's normally 1, but took an HP on EX.

(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)

In order to better answer your questions and record your DPs, please provide your profile stats: Any baddies? Severity and recency? (clean/dirty), Number of accounts, both open and closed on CRs (thick/thin), AoOA? (aged/nonaged), AOYRA-Age of Youngest Revolving Account (new accounts/no new accounts)? Open/closed loan on CR?
For example, mine is clean/thick/aged/new account, with open loan on record.
If you don't know where you fall, just detail any baddies, your number of open and closed accounts, AoOA, AOYRA and whether you have a loan on record.

For utilization questions, list individual and aggregate utilizations, revolving and installment, please.
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

Yeah, I have been letting a couple of cards report small balances. One only has a $5k limit, and I let it report a $30-40 balance, so that's working. But I'm still stuck at 774 on FICO-8 for some mysterious reason. However, I gather FICO-2 is the mortgage score and it's doing well so I guess that's fine. FICO-8 is weird though.


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Last Inq 04/2018
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

As long as it is a national bankcard, not retail, not CU, not over 27K?, not an AU, you should be good to just let one report, especially for best scores on FICO-2. I think optimal is 20% of revolvers reporting or less. Might be 25%, can't recall off the top of my head.
For a collection of our current FICO scoring wisdom, updated as we learn, read the following. Watch the revision dates on the bottom of the first 8 posts as they are regularly updated: Link to Scoring Primer.



RIP:






Scores updated May 2020, unless otherwise noted. 5 revolvers reporting a balance, where it's normally 1, but took an HP on EX.

(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)

In order to better answer your questions and record your DPs, please provide your profile stats: Any baddies? Severity and recency? (clean/dirty), Number of accounts, both open and closed on CRs (thick/thin), AoOA? (aged/nonaged), AOYRA-Age of Youngest Revolving Account (new accounts/no new accounts)? Open/closed loan on CR?
For example, mine is clean/thick/aged/new account, with open loan on record.
If you don't know where you fall, just detail any baddies, your number of open and closed accounts, AoOA, AOYRA and whether you have a loan on record.

For utilization questions, list individual and aggregate utilizations, revolving and installment, please.
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2


@Birdman7 wrote:
By the way, I can’t remember exactly the limit. I thought it was $35,000 but then I think somebody at $29K was excluded, but if you use a card with a CL under $25K, it should work fine for FICO 2.

I was looking at this recently - the EX2 (Auto and Bankcard, anyway) threshold is definitely lower than the EQ5/TU4 threshold (assumed to be $35k) - I've verified that a $26k limit does count, but a $30k limit does not.  I haven't dialed it in more exactly than that (yet).

 

The reason codes end up looking really odd when testing this - you can get "There are no recent balances on your revolving and/or open-ended accounts." at the same time as "You've made heavy use of your available revolving credit.".

 

Due to MyFICO hiding reason codes when within 50 points of max, I've only been able to test EX2 Auto and EX2 Bankcard, but the base EX2 ("mortgage") version is likely using the same thresholds.

 

EQ8:850 TU8:850 EX8:850
EQ9:850 TU9:850 EX9:850
EQ5:809 TU4:789 EX2:819 - 2019-09-06
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

Yes it was thought to be 35 until someone was excluded with a 29. Or a 27. That’s why I said if you are at 25K or less you should be good as long as it’s a national bank card.

Yes, it totally ignores it as far as AZEO and accounts with the balance therefore, I think. But yes it still goes towards utilization! Just don’t ask me why. LOL.
For a collection of our current FICO scoring wisdom, updated as we learn, read the following. Watch the revision dates on the bottom of the first 8 posts as they are regularly updated: Link to Scoring Primer.



RIP:






Scores updated May 2020, unless otherwise noted. 5 revolvers reporting a balance, where it's normally 1, but took an HP on EX.

(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)

In order to better answer your questions and record your DPs, please provide your profile stats: Any baddies? Severity and recency? (clean/dirty), Number of accounts, both open and closed on CRs (thick/thin), AoOA? (aged/nonaged), AOYRA-Age of Youngest Revolving Account (new accounts/no new accounts)? Open/closed loan on CR?
For example, mine is clean/thick/aged/new account, with open loan on record.
If you don't know where you fall, just detail any baddies, your number of open and closed accounts, AoOA, AOYRA and whether you have a loan on record.

For utilization questions, list individual and aggregate utilizations, revolving and installment, please.
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

And inquiries or accounts under 12 months increases the signal strength on EX2 for the penalty for greater number of accounts with a balance it is believed.

iv thank you for the data point that 26K works on EX2.
For a collection of our current FICO scoring wisdom, updated as we learn, read the following. Watch the revision dates on the bottom of the first 8 posts as they are regularly updated: Link to Scoring Primer.



RIP:






Scores updated May 2020, unless otherwise noted. 5 revolvers reporting a balance, where it's normally 1, but took an HP on EX.

(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)

In order to better answer your questions and record your DPs, please provide your profile stats: Any baddies? Severity and recency? (clean/dirty), Number of accounts, both open and closed on CRs (thick/thin), AoOA? (aged/nonaged), AOYRA-Age of Youngest Revolving Account (new accounts/no new accounts)? Open/closed loan on CR?
For example, mine is clean/thick/aged/new account, with open loan on record.
If you don't know where you fall, just detail any baddies, your number of open and closed accounts, AoOA, AOYRA and whether you have a loan on record.

For utilization questions, list individual and aggregate utilizations, revolving and installment, please.
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Re: Effect of one inquiry on FICO8 and FICO2

And yes I totally concur that all versions of EX2 would most likely be using the same cut off amount.

One day we will dial it down find the exact cut off, but meanwhile we just have to use the shorter de-duplication window (14 day) and the lower cut off of EX2 (26K?) in optimizing for the mortgage scores.
For a collection of our current FICO scoring wisdom, updated as we learn, read the following. Watch the revision dates on the bottom of the first 8 posts as they are regularly updated: Link to Scoring Primer.



RIP:






Scores updated May 2020, unless otherwise noted. 5 revolvers reporting a balance, where it's normally 1, but took an HP on EX.

(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)

In order to better answer your questions and record your DPs, please provide your profile stats: Any baddies? Severity and recency? (clean/dirty), Number of accounts, both open and closed on CRs (thick/thin), AoOA? (aged/nonaged), AOYRA-Age of Youngest Revolving Account (new accounts/no new accounts)? Open/closed loan on CR?
For example, mine is clean/thick/aged/new account, with open loan on record.
If you don't know where you fall, just detail any baddies, your number of open and closed accounts, AoOA, AOYRA and whether you have a loan on record.

For utilization questions, list individual and aggregate utilizations, revolving and installment, please.
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