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Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?

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CreditMagic7
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Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@jamie123 wrote:

 

In my instance, i suppose if i open the share secured loan with a CU like Alliant around the first of 2016 then at the close of the final month when my current auto loan term is completed (and thereby shows closed/PIF) it should help prop up the FICO numbers or at the very least drop very little?


Yes, it will keep your score from dropping.

 

We have found that it is best to get the share secured installment loan with Alliant and then pay down the balance to less than 10% remaining. This will push the next payment due date out years. (Don't set up autopayments.) You get a bump in points once your installment loan is more than 90% paid off. These are some of the points you lose once you pay off and close the loan.


Ok, joined Alliant online over the weekend and just waiting for the intro welcome package to arrive in the mail. No offers except for checking which i declined for the time being to hopefully save from a HP on EQ. No offers for credit card or other which i fully expected since my EQ score is bitten right now after a Sept spree.

If i read this right you want to fill that same savings account with a deposit of 550 or better and then apply for the secured share in a couple of weeks or so.

 

Once this all gets hooked up and posted to my CR's and then paid down 90% the timing should be good i would think to do my auto loan payoff since i already will have an existing unsecured bank loan reporting.

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:

 

In my instance, i suppose if i open the share secured loan with a CU like Alliant around the first of 2016 then at the close of the final month when my current auto loan term is completed (and thereby shows closed/PIF) it should help prop up the FICO numbers or at the very least drop very little?


Yes, it will keep your score from dropping.

 

We have found that it is best to get the share secured installment loan with Alliant and then pay down the balance to less than 10% remaining. This will push the next payment due date out years. (Don't set up autopayments.) You get a bump in points once your installment loan is more than 90% paid off. These are some of the points you lose once you pay off and close the loan.


Ok, joined Alliant online over the weekend and just waiting for the intro welcome package to arrive in the mail. No offers except for checking which i declined for the time being to hopefully save from a HP on EQ. No offers for credit card or other which i fully expected since my EQ score is bitten right now after a Sept spree.

If i read this right you want to fill that same savings account with a deposit of 550 or better and then apply for the secured share in a couple of weeks or so.

 

Once this all gets hooked up and posted to my CR's and then paid down 90% the timing should be good i would think to do my auto loan payoff since i already will have an existing unsecured bank loan reporting.


No need to wait, can apply as soon as the funds to secure it clear; I actually applied before that but it was held up for a couple of days.

 

Your plan is solid, may be a minor hiccup with the new account bringing down AAOA but you won't get the wild swing on installment utilization.




        
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CreditMagic7
Mega Contributor

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@Revelate wrote:

@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:

 

In my instance, i suppose if i open the share secured loan with a CU like Alliant around the first of 2016 then at the close of the final month when my current auto loan term is completed (and thereby shows closed/PIF) it should help prop up the FICO numbers or at the very least drop very little?


Yes, it will keep your score from dropping.

 

We have found that it is best to get the share secured installment loan with Alliant and then pay down the balance to less than 10% remaining. This will push the next payment due date out years. (Don't set up autopayments.) You get a bump in points once your installment loan is more than 90% paid off. These are some of the points you lose once you pay off and close the loan.


Ok, joined Alliant online over the weekend and just waiting for the intro welcome package to arrive in the mail. No offers except for checking which i declined for the time being to hopefully save from a HP on EQ. No offers for credit card or other which i fully expected since my EQ score is bitten right now after a Sept spree.

If i read this right you want to fill that same savings account with a deposit of 550 or better and then apply for the secured share in a couple of weeks or so.

 

Once this all gets hooked up and posted to my CR's and then paid down 90% the timing should be good i would think to do my auto loan payoff since i already will have an existing unsecured bank loan reporting.


No need to wait, can apply as soon as the funds to secure it clear; I actually applied before that but it was held up for a couple of days.

 

Your plan is solid, may be a minor hiccup with the new account bringing down AAOA but you won't get the wild swing on installment utilization.


Thanks for the nod on that Rev and especially you and jamie sharing your collective wisdom with all of us here.

 

These might seem such small matters to some but they are still important matters that can have affects, and some of those affects can loom pretty large and at the worse possible times, like the shock from a huge score drop over an installment term completion. Ouch.

 

This hopefully will be of help if the SP to EQ holds true. Checked and the one for membership has already showed up on the credit report.

 

Would you guys wait until it reports to the CRA first and then do the big manual payment?

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:

 

In my instance, i suppose if i open the share secured loan with a CU like Alliant around the first of 2016 then at the close of the final month when my current auto loan term is completed (and thereby shows closed/PIF) it should help prop up the FICO numbers or at the very least drop very little?


Yes, it will keep your score from dropping.

 

We have found that it is best to get the share secured installment loan with Alliant and then pay down the balance to less than 10% remaining. This will push the next payment due date out years. (Don't set up autopayments.) You get a bump in points once your installment loan is more than 90% paid off. These are some of the points you lose once you pay off and close the loan.


Ok, joined Alliant online over the weekend and just waiting for the intro welcome package to arrive in the mail. No offers except for checking which i declined for the time being to hopefully save from a HP on EQ. No offers for credit card or other which i fully expected since my EQ score is bitten right now after a Sept spree.

If i read this right you want to fill that same savings account with a deposit of 550 or better and then apply for the secured share in a couple of weeks or so.

 

Once this all gets hooked up and posted to my CR's and then paid down 90% the timing should be good i would think to do my auto loan payoff since i already will have an existing unsecured bank loan reporting.


No need to wait, can apply as soon as the funds to secure it clear; I actually applied before that but it was held up for a couple of days.

 

Your plan is solid, may be a minor hiccup with the new account bringing down AAOA but you won't get the wild swing on installment utilization.


Thanks for the nod on that Rev and especially you and jamie sharing your collective wisdom with all of us here.

 

These might seem such small matters to some but they are still important matters that can have affects, and some of those affects can loom pretty large and at the worse possible times, like the shock from a huge score drop over an installment term completion. Ouch.

 

This hopefully will be of help if the SP to EQ holds true. Checked and the one for membership has already showed up on the credit report.

 

Would you guys wait until it reports to the CRA first and then do the big manual payment?


Reports are that it's not strictly necessary, but I would just to be sure.  Sometimes new tradelines get reported in some squirrely state, and I'd want to absolutely make sure that the original balance was reflected correctly before I made the lump sum payment.

 

Credit's a long term project, waiting a month or two to get fully pretty on an installment loan isn't much of a stretch and it's worth it to be certain is my thinking.




        
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CreditMagic7
Mega Contributor

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@Revelate wrote:

@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@CreditMagic7 wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:

 

In my instance, i suppose if i open the share secured loan with a CU like Alliant around the first of 2016 then at the close of the final month when my current auto loan term is completed (and thereby shows closed/PIF) it should help prop up the FICO numbers or at the very least drop very little?


Yes, it will keep your score from dropping.

 

We have found that it is best to get the share secured installment loan with Alliant and then pay down the balance to less than 10% remaining. This will push the next payment due date out years. (Don't set up autopayments.) You get a bump in points once your installment loan is more than 90% paid off. These are some of the points you lose once you pay off and close the loan.


Ok, joined Alliant online over the weekend and just waiting for the intro welcome package to arrive in the mail. No offers except for checking which i declined for the time being to hopefully save from a HP on EQ. No offers for credit card or other which i fully expected since my EQ score is bitten right now after a Sept spree.

If i read this right you want to fill that same savings account with a deposit of 550 or better and then apply for the secured share in a couple of weeks or so.

 

Once this all gets hooked up and posted to my CR's and then paid down 90% the timing should be good i would think to do my auto loan payoff since i already will have an existing unsecured bank loan reporting.


No need to wait, can apply as soon as the funds to secure it clear; I actually applied before that but it was held up for a couple of days.

 

Your plan is solid, may be a minor hiccup with the new account bringing down AAOA but you won't get the wild swing on installment utilization.


Thanks for the nod on that Rev and especially you and jamie sharing your collective wisdom with all of us here.

 

These might seem such small matters to some but they are still important matters that can have affects, and some of those affects can loom pretty large and at the worse possible times, like the shock from a huge score drop over an installment term completion. Ouch.

 

This hopefully will be of help if the SP to EQ holds true. Checked and the one for membership has already showed up on the credit report.

 

Would you guys wait until it reports to the CRA first and then do the big manual payment?


Reports are that it's not strictly necessary, but I would just to be sure.  Sometimes new tradelines get reported in some squirrely state, and I'd want to absolutely make sure that the original balance was reflected correctly before I made the lump sum payment.

 

Credit's a long term project, waiting a month or two to get fully pretty on an installment loan isn't much of a stretch and it's worth it to be certain is my thinking.


Looks like that i hit that much spoken of breakpoint in one of my 2 current installment loans. (the one where term is up in March) 

 

I haven't checked my actual FICO scores yet but thru CK i monitored changes all year long and this week a (NEW) sudden high rise score jump reported something on the order of 30+ and 36+ respectively which to me equates to a positive jump alright but to a significantly much lesser degree of course on genuine FICO scores, but not THAT dramatic. I'll have to check one of my authentic FICO readings to confirm it and will report back an actual finding.

Did the math and noticed that my remaining installment utility from this week's report is down to 18% now where last month it was over 20% so there's definitely something to be said for that breakpoint.

 

Still working to determine an optimal schedule for me to bring online the Alliant CU shared secured.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?

To prevent this happening with my car loan - I take out the longest term loan possible (7 years now), paid this one down to the final $1000 when I got my annual bonus, and then had the bank reamortize (they called it recast) the loan. My monthly payment is $15 for next 6 years.

 

I shopped around for a place that was willing to recast auto loans - not all places will. This banks requirement to recast was a minimum balance of $1000

 

Doing that will have little affect on your DTI if you want to buy a house in the next few years, and you get the point bump for 6 years, from your balance being down to 10% of the original loan amount.

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Anonymous
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Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@Anonymous wrote:

To prevent this happening with my car loan - I take out the longest term loan possible (7 years now), paid this one down to the final $1000 when I got my annual bonus, and then had the bank reamortize (they called it recast) the loan. My monthly payment is $15 for next 6 years.

 

I shopped around for a place that was willing to recast auto loans - not all places will. This banks requirement to recast was a minimum balance of $1000

 

Doing that will have little affect on your DTI if you want to buy a house in the next few years, and you get the point bump for 6 years, from your balance being down to 10% of the original loan amount.


That is interesting, had no idea that was a possibility.

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Anonymous
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Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?

It's not possible with all lenders - each has their own rules on recasting loans. Some the minimum balance to recast is $3k or $5k, some don't recast at all, some require a lumpsum payment of at least 10% of remaining balance.....you just have to call around and ask the questions. 

 

My car loan is with a local credit union - they tend to have the most lax rules when it comes to recasting. Mine just requires a minimum remaining balance of $1k and lump sum payment of at least $1k to recast. So say my balance was $1980, I wouldn't be able to recast the loan, because the balance would be too low to meat their 2 requirements.

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?


@Anonymous wrote:

It's not possible with all lenders - each has their own rules on recasting loans. Some the minimum balance to recast is $3k or $5k, some don't recast at all, some require a lumpsum payment of at least 10% of remaining balance.....you just have to call around and ask the questions. 

 

My car loan is with a local credit union - they tend to have the most lax rules when it comes to recasting. Mine just requires a minimum remaining balance of $1k and lump sum payment of at least $1k to recast. So say my balance was $1980, I wouldn't be able to recast the loan, because the balance would be too low to meat their 2 requirements.


That is interesting; how does it report with the bureaus post-recasting?

 

Refinance would be a new tradeilne typically with most lenders, from your description this is different but the devil is in the details on the report.

 

I'm not sure what this gets other than for the lenders who refuse to extend more than a X number of payments ahead, though I suppose it is easier to have $15/month on autopayment or whatever rather than reminding oneself through phone alerts every six months or whatever to pay a buck or two as many lenders push the payment date way out into the future from reports here anyway.

 

Edit: yeah might make an impact on some mortgage apps these days as some lenders certainly aren't excluding installment loans with minimal payments left if you wanted to keep the original tradeline rather than just sorting with a small secured loan.

 

Appreciate the insight!




        
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CreditMagic7
Mega Contributor

Re: Why did paying off a loan drop my scores by 16 points?

FALSE ALARM on the assumption which i referred to earlier as a potential breakpoint from one of my 2 installment loans. Purchased my TU FICO genuine TM tonight and it lined up PERFECTLY with Discover's free FICO, so in essence NOTHING AT ALL CHANGED except that false jump from credit krapma.

 

Those guys are clever fake score manipulators and i fell hook line and sinker over it this time and also for the very last time. It's been beat to death NOT to pay any attention to their scores AND I USUALLY DON'T so once again enters another evidence that they are at least pretty efficient in enticing you to buy a real FICO score to compare the differences (IF ANY) Bahhh. My bad and lesson learned this time.

 

At any rate this week i'm going to make a large payment on my auto loan leaving only one more valid payment before the term becomes complete and paid off January 1, 2016.

 

I'm doing this to see if any score changes at all when it goes under 10% next month after my throwing a big sum to it which will offer me at least one month where if the installment utilization factor benefit reflects in December's FICO score or not.

 

No matter either way though since after this test is passed next month i'll then immediately engage the Alliant shared secured savings loan before that term does terminate in January and let set the pace for the duration in order to maintain that all critical MIX measure.

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