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Anonymous
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Drowning in Credit Card Debt

Hello

I have about $70k in credit card debt. These were all for business expenses I incurred over the years but the credit cards are all in my name i.e. I am liable. To be clear, I am still current with all my credit card debt. The creditors are Chase, BOA, Citi, Synchrony, Discover and Amex

 

My business is dying and I've been offered a few jobs, but obviously my income is much much less than what my business was making at its peak. I dont want to give up on at least some income until things get better, but the question of credit card debt is really haunting me. Basically if I accept the job, theres no way I can pay even the minimum amount.

 

My choices seem to be below:

a) Find a side hussel or second job and try to keep paying. I already started this, but I dont know how successful it would be

b) Stop paying the debt once I cant, then wait for charge-offs to settle the accounts, hopefully for less.

c) File for Chapter 13 bankruptcy (I cant qualify for Chapter 7 with my job) and just let all disposable income go to a trustee for them to pay and have it discharged.

 

I dont know what else to do, I want to pay my debts, but I'm really just drowning. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt


@Anonymous wrote:

Hello

I have about $70k in credit card debt. These were all for business expenses I incurred over the years but the credit cards are all in my name i.e. I am liable. To be clear, I am still current with all my credit card debt. The creditors are Chase, BOA, Citi, Synchrony, Discover and Amex

 

My business is dying and I've been offered a few jobs, but obviously my income is much much less than what my business was making at its peak. I dont want to give up on at least some income until things get better, but the question of credit card debt is really haunting me. Basically if I accept the job, theres no way I can pay even the minimum amount.

 

My choices seem to be below:

a) Find a side hussel or second job and try to keep paying. I already started this, but I dont know how successful it would be

b) Stop paying the debt once I cant, then wait for charge-offs to settle the accounts, hopefully for less.

c) File for Chapter 13 bankruptcy (I cant qualify for Chapter 7 with my job) and just let all disposable income go to a trustee for them to pay and have it discharged.

 

I dont know what else to do, I want to pay my debts, but I'm really just drowning. 


I am sorry to hear about your predicament.  

 

You will likely get a few more replies on this.  I want to make a few comments/suggestions that I hope will help with your recovery here.

I think you mentioned that you don't want to give up on some income, and then stated "if I accept the job, there is no way I can pay even the minimum amount."   This appears confusing.  And I say this not to be disagreeable, but in an attempt to better understand.  In your situation, the options are rarely favorable. And, more over, it is usually not possible to pick what is more convenient for us..

 

You will likely need to put a lot of this on paper - if you haven't done so - detailing all of your accounts, balances, min due.

You should consider developing a strategy to pay these debts down - even if less than minimums - if permitted by the lenders

I would recommend that you write out your budget so you can get a microscopic view of your cash flow. (are there non-essential expenses you can eliminate that could free up cash?  e.g., cable, mobile phone bill features, dining out, ordering out if applicable).   When I ran into financial trouble, I was able to uncover cash from extra spending on things I didn't need.  I had a $5/day weekly Starbucks habit which ended.

That was an extra $100/mo going towards credit card balances.

Consider local foodbanks and second hand clothing shops if you need clothes

 

I would also speak with a tax/financial advisor to see what other remedies might be available to deal with the debt. In addition, have you considered a gofund me page? You must have loyal clients who helped you succeed; why not go back to them and solicit there help since your business has failed?   

 

If you stop paying your credit debt and they go to charge off status, you rarely have an option to settle - from my experience. The chargeoff will destroy your scores, and if you do not pay, then they go to collection resulting into two derogs for each account not paid. (someone please correct me if I am wrong on this one)  I don't recommend bankruptcy.

 

Lastly, you stated you wanted to pay your debts but two of the choices you listed are consistent with avoiding paying them - chargeoffs, bankruptcy). So, the one thing you can do right now - this moment - is to commit to resolving the issue and understand you will need to buckle down for a little and make sacrifices.

 

Hey, $70k is a lot of debt to many people but once you create your budget, formulate a realistic plan that includes extra employment, this will become manageable.   Letting these things go into chargeoffs/bankruptcy etc should be a last resort.

 

Best of luck!

 

 

 

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SoCalGardener
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt

I'm really sorry you're facing such a dire situation. Try to keep your head up and focus on what you can do, rather than focus on how bad it is.

 

When my husband and I were drowning in debt with no apparent way out, we used Consumer Credit Counseling Services. I don't know if they're even still around, but there must be others like them. They were a debt negotiation service; they contacted each creditor and mapped out a plan that was workable for our budget, and we made the monthly payments directly to CCCS, who then doled them out to the creditors. It was so long ago, I honestly can't remember how this affected our credit, i.e., whether using CCCS helped keep our records in better shape....but it doesn't matter, because we had tanked our credit by then. Anyway, we eventually paid off all the debt, which made us feel good, but did it on a budget we could actually live with.

 

Whatever you do, don't fall for one of those silly 'credit repair' or 'wipe out all your debt!' places. They're full of...well, you know.

 

The previous poster has given you some excellent advice.

 

If you're determined to pay your debts, you should be able to figure out a way, but if bankruptcy turns out to be your only viable path...been there, done that. It's awful. It's a terrible feeling of failure and being a loser, but it's available for a reason, so if you need to make use of it, do. Don't hang your head in shame (like I did), just accept it and move on.

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Anonymous
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Thank you so much for the advice so far. I will check out credit counseling. 

 

I also just realized the job part was not clear.

 

What I meant was my business is not generating enough income, so I've been looking for employment and got some offers. The choice is to get a guaranteed source of income, versus keep looking at other options to revive the business, look for other jobs, etc. Credit card debt plays a big role in these thoughts/decisions. 

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barca
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@Anonymous - have you considered getting a personal loan.

 

A personal loan might be ideal in your case, pay off all the debt , then manage just one account. 
most personal loans start with soft pull pre qualification, so you know your rate before you apply.

 

try Penfed, discover, Wells Fargo (if you are customer) and maybe sofi.

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Horseshoez
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt

@Anonymous, I was in your shoes about 10 years ago with debt, mostly business related, but in my name (and run up by my former business partner), which amounted to two to three times what I could expect in gross annual income from a regular job.  When I found out about the absurd amount of debt I was in, I left the company I had co-founded over 30 years before and took a job with one of my clients, and yeah, that gross income was well under half of my debt; "Hello, Chapter 13!"

 

While a bankruptcy of any sort is hard medicine for us mere mortals, in my case at least, the "Wage Earner" plan worked out well for me.  Once the "stay" goes into effect, all interest and penalties are immediately stopped, and then based upon your income and monthly expenses, your creditors get paid back some or all of what you owe over the next three to five years.  For me at least, even though I'm already up to retirement age, I made a career change while in my bankruptcy, and that change has since exploded into a huge new job.  Trust me, it is very comforting to look at a future with lots of opportunity and zero debt.

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Slowlyrebuilding
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt

I've been in your situation twice. I filed ch 13 once and this time I let the debts all go to collections.

I have lots of thoughts and opinions on this but I'll try to be brief...

1) if you decide to just stop paying, take about 50-75% of what you were paying and set it aside for negotiations. You can get amazing deals on settlement if you have a lump sum. 
2) if your accounts go to collections find out (through this website) which are likely to sue and get on a payment plan. The payment plans with collection agencies can be as low as a third of what your min payment was. I had a card that was $200 min payment and I now pay $68 a month. 
3) if you become eligible for ch 7 pursue it. I would do a chapter 7 in my situation but a chunk of my debt is student loans. Have you met with a lawyer or 2?

 

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Slowlyrebuilding
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I also wanted to add if you do stop paying, pick a card or 2 that you want to keep and continue paying on them so you have a credit card if you need one. I kept my credit union cards and my Amex current through it all.

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Gunnerboy
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt

@Anonymous

If you're going the counseling or consolidation route, another is Trinity Debt Management, a non-profit agency.  Good luck to you.



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ocheosa
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Re: Drowning in Credit Card Debt

So sorry to hear about the troubles you/business are experiencing due to the pandemic. Do you expect your business will recover once we are out of this mess? If so, you might consider a SBA EIDL loan. The terms are better than any bank/credit union and they are using the business income from the 2019 tax return. The loan term was increased in Apr: 24mos income up to 500k max, at 3.75% for 30 yrs. You could also look into business grants in your state. Your local SBA office should be able to guide you in the right direction.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

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