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So I wrote a letter of protest to my child's school today....

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Anonymous
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@MidnightVoice wrote:
My answer to that would invove politics, which I can't discuss.  So just picture in your mind a system whem if anyone was ill they just went to nearest doctor for nothing........   Smiley Very Happy

 

That's crazy talk. What are we, Canada? [Maybe not such a bad thing.]

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Anonymous
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@Anonymous wrote:

That's crazy talk. What are we, Canada? [Maybe not such a bad thing.]


Living in Michigan and working with Canadians gave me a new perspective on that.

 

Glad I live on this side of that border - at least when I needed that (elective - really????) heart surgery!!!   Eh!

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marty56
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@Anonymous wrote:

@marty56 wrote:

I also find the request strange in that the same logic could also apply to chidren in the school playground as well.  Also what is the school policy on a child getting sick while in class.  if they can't get a hold of their parents, they would still have to take the kid to the emergency room and it would be the same situation.

 

Having said all that, I would provide the info because if I trust the school to take care of my kid then it is reasonable to trust them with the medical info otherwisw I would not send my kid.


By that token, then you could give them  your CC info, social, bank statements, etc.


That would be a different case altogether.

 

A better approach to this would have been that the school make you sign a permission ship stated that you had insurance to cover a trip to the emergency room.  It would have been unlikely that they would have validated that the insurance was still current.

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Anonymous
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@guiness56 wrote:

I have to agree with DI.  You give them permission to take your child off on a trip but you deny them a copy of your insurance card in case of an emergency.  They seem to be trying to cover all bases in the event something happened.  Seems pretty responsible to me.

 

What if you were to go on a trip and had to leave your children with someone else for 5 days.  Would you leave the insurance card then?


 

Please explain what an insurance card does for an emergency medical situation?  If there was one, I would not have objected.  I can assure you I would not jeopardize my child's health.

 

Let me repeat:  THERE IS NONE, no reason or use whatsoever that the school would need insurance information in order to obtain emergency medical treatment for my child.  Having that would not speed up the process of emergency care.  Having it would not give the child access to better care.

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@marty56 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@marty56 wrote:

I also find the request strange in that the same logic could also apply to chidren in the school playground as well.  Also what is the school policy on a child getting sick while in class.  if they can't get a hold of their parents, they would still have to take the kid to the emergency room and it would be the same situation.

 

Having said all that, I would provide the info because if I trust the school to take care of my kid then it is reasonable to trust them with the medical info otherwisw I would not send my kid.


By that token, then you could give them  your CC info, social, bank statements, etc.


That would be a different case altogether.

 

A better approach to this would have been that the school make you sign a permission ship stated that you had insurance to cover a trip to the emergency room.  It would have been unlikely that they would have validated that the insurance was still current.


 

Why on earth would the school have any reason to get involved in my ability to pay for emergency care?  If I don't pay, the bill does not come back on the school EVER.  The law of necessaries specifically makes me and my wife liable for the necessary care (medical) for my child.  IN FACT, the hospital or medical provider absolutely could not even discuss billing with the school under HIPAA!!! 

 

In fact, I spoke with my attorney, who has litigated HIPAA cases, and it is his opinion that the school being in possession of the insurance card, which has personally identifiable information and then communicating with the medical facility in an attempt to obtain any payment or other treatment information is a liability to the school under HIPAA.  They are limited to seeking treatment for the child and notifying the parents....period.  Beyond that, they are crossing HIPAA lines in protected information.

 

Texas law requires a medical facility to provide emergency care without regard to any ability to pay, whether there is insurance or not.

 

Me having insurance is none of the school's business.  Now I could understand if the law made the school liable...but it does not.  The school only has liability under circumstances of "negligence."  And me having insurance would not waive their negligent liability.

 

The school is not an insurance police. 

 

 

Message Edited by txjohn on 03-05-2010 06:31 PM
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guiness56
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@Anonymous wrote:

@guiness56 wrote:

I have to agree with DI.  You give them permission to take your child off on a trip but you deny them a copy of your insurance card in case of an emergency.  They seem to be trying to cover all bases in the event something happened.  Seems pretty responsible to me.

 

What if you were to go on a trip and had to leave your children with someone else for 5 days.  Would you leave the insurance card then?


 

Please explain what an insurance card does for an emergency medical situation?  If there was one, I would not have objected.  I can assure you I would not jeopardize my child's health.

 

Let me repeat:  THERE IS NONE, no reason or use whatsoever that the school would need insurance information in order to obtain emergency medical treatment for my child.  Having that would not speed up the process of emergency care.  Having it would not give the child access to better care.

 

 


 

I respectfully disagree and in my opinion there is a good reason. 

 

No, it would not speed up the emergency care and it would not give access to better care.

 

But, it would ensure the right person/company got billed for the care.  Some thing that once done is hard to undo.

 

When my kids were in school, they were also required to have the insurance card for away trips.  I never thought twice about giving it to them.  Other than the name of the insurance and policy #, there was really nothing on there I was concerned about. 

 

I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours.  I will not apologize for not agreeing with you.

 

However, it was not my intention to imply you would ever jeopardize your childs health and if it came across that way, for that I do apologize.

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marty56
Super Contributor

Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@Anonymous wrote:

@marty56 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@marty56 wrote:

I also find the request strange in that the same logic could also apply to chidren in the school playground as well.  Also what is the school policy on a child getting sick while in class.  if they can't get a hold of their parents, they would still have to take the kid to the emergency room and it would be the same situation.

 

Having said all that, I would provide the info because if I trust the school to take care of my kid then it is reasonable to trust them with the medical info otherwisw I would not send my kid.


By that token, then you could give them  your CC info, social, bank statements, etc.


That would be a different case altogether.

 

A better approach to this would have been that the school make you sign a permission ship stated that you had insurance to cover a trip to the emergency room.  It would have been unlikely that they would have validated that the insurance was still current.


 

Why on earth would the school have any reason to get involved in my ability to pay for emergency care?  If I don't pay, the bill does not come back on the school EVER.  The law of necessaries specifically makes me and my wife liable for the necessary care (medical) for my


 

If I were the school, I would not allow any kid to go on a trip like that unless the school covered him for emergencey care or that his parents had coverage.  Even if you can't sue the school and win, doesn't mean you wont.

 

When I fell at work, I had to go to the military hospital and and to provide them a copy of my insurance.  They did not submit a claim nor did they charge me.  While this seems like a different situation, I know for a fact that had they submited a claim, they would have gone after the government to get the money back, or in your case the owner of the farm or the school.

 

Just because a hospital is reguired to treat someone, regardless of their ability to pay doesn't mean they are not allowed to try to collect payment before or afterwards.  Has anyone here ever tried to go to a doctor or hospital and receive treatment without showing an ID card first?  Would a doctor or hospital try to collect payment from the school if you couldn't pay, even if the school isn't legally reguired to pay?

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Jazzzy
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


txjohn wrote:

 

Texas law requires a medical facility to provide emergency care without regard to any ability to pay, whether there is insurance or not.

 


Hi txjohn...I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'd like to add the perspective of someone in the trenches.

 

I understand the above law that you reference. It's the law everywhere in ERs. Now...reality time...is it always honored?

 

Sure it is...BUT...there is a lot...repeat a lot...of grey area in medical care. To do the CT or not to do the CT. (Do you know how expensive they are?) Does this patient really need the MRI, or did the x-ray show enough? (Do you know how expensive MRIs are?) Does this patient really need the new brand name drug, or is the older generic sufficient....even though the newer drug shows more efficacy? Do they really need the help of a plastic surgeon for that big cut on the child's face, or can the overworked resident (or student) do the sutures?

 

These decisions are made every day in ERs. Does everyone get the SAME care? No. Not on your life. Will anyone admit this? No. Not on your life. There is sufficient care, and then there is top notch care. They are not the same. Sufficient care is not negligence or malpractice as long as the minimum standard of care is met.

 

Whether or not a person has insurance is shown on the chart. Do you think the ER doc's eyes don't glance over that right away? Physicians are hounded by hospitals every day to hold down costs. If they are dealing with an uninsured patient, then the hospital pays. Because our healthcare system is a for-profit system (yes, even the nonprofits), corners are cut every day.

 

I don't want those corners to be cut for my child. Your access to specialists can be limited without insurance.

 

I hesitated to even post this because it's something you don't say out loud. But it happens. Every day. That is why I will always provide insurance information for my child.

 

As is said so often...follow the money. That's where you'll find the reality of why something happens or doesn't happen.

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wmarat
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Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....

1. Physician's first priority is to provide reasonable care and by this to avoid lawsuit. His/hers second priority is to cut cost. Therefore, if doctor sees patient who by protocol or evidence based practice entitled to CT or/and MRI, it will be done regardless the cost to hospital.

 

2. Hospitals I worked for, outsourced Diagnostic Imaging and could not care less who gets MRI and who does not, as well they outsourced ER physicians services.

 

3. In my experience, schools are intrusive and often request information they do not need.

IN VINO VERITAS.
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Jazzzy
Valued Contributor

Re: So I wrote a letter or proteset to my child's school today....


@wmarat wrote:

1. Physician's first priority is to provide reasonable care and by this to avoid lawsuit. His/hers second priority is to cut cost. Therefore, if doctor sees patient who by protocol or evidence based practice entitled to CT or/and MRI, it will be done regardless the cost to hospital.

 

2. Hospitals I worked for, outsourced Diagnostic Imaging and could not care less who gets MRI and who does not, as well they outsourced ER physicians services.

 

3. In my experience, schools are intrusive and often request information they do not need.


There are differences. To say there aren't is not facing reality. Lots of gray area.

 

I am not saying that the school should or should not have this information.

 

I was simply saying why I want my child to have this information available and provided for her should she land in an ER.

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