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Gunnar419
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How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?

I have excellent credit but a basement-level income. I've always had old cars that I paid cash for, but after the most recent one died I decided that if I'm going to get another car I want it to be something that won't be on the verge of breaking down all the time.

 

Here's my situation.

 

FICO8 scores are all in the low 800s. I don't know my auto FICO

 

My credit is ccs only, no loans of any kind

 

Cc utilization is less than 1% (total debt under $250)

 

No lates, no baddies, zero inquiries on all 3 CRAs, AAoA stratospheric

 

No mortgage, no car payments, monthly living expenses very modest

 

I own my own home

 

My total income is only around $12,000

 

I would like to get something like a lightly used Toyota Yaris or Honda Fit. A used Prius is also a possibility, or a Subaru. I just want something RELIABLE and with no more than 60-80k miles on it

 

I don't have a trade-in but could probably pay $2,000 downpayment.

 

Currently I have all three reports frozen, so before I unfreeze them, go to my bank, and start running up inquiries, can you good people give me some idea whether on my income I could qualify for enough of a loan to buy the good, late model used car I'm thinking about? Thank you!

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Gmood1
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Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?

My step daughter who is in college just financed her first car through Navy Fed. Her income is maybe $8000 a year with no other bills. She was instantly approved for the asking amount of $6500 on a 2010 Honda Civic. The car is worth $10,000 easy. Her scores are all mid to upper 700's. Her rate for 48 months is 3.49% with payments around $142 a month. Maybe that will give you an idea of what you're looking for.

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Gunnar419
Valued Contributor

Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?


@Gmood1 wrote:

My step daughter who is in college just financed her first car through Navy Fed. Her income is maybe $8000 a year with no other bills. She was instantly approved for the asking amount of $6500 on a 2010 Honda Civic. The car is worth $10,000 easy. Her scores are all mid to upper 700's. Her rate for 48 months is 3.49% with payments around $142 a month. Maybe that will give you an idea of what you're looking for.


That's great Gmood1. That gives me a very good idea of what I might be looking at. Thank you.

 

I'm not ready to buy right this minute, but I just saw a very low mileage 2015 Toyota Yaris for under $11,000. That was encouraging, too.

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Anonymous
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Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?

I would work with a credit union on this for sure.  The question on how big an auto loan probably should be made by you not by a lender given your income level. My guess is you don't have a lot of discretionary income left after expenses (I may be totally wrong). My point is decide how much you want or can comfortably pay each month and then work your way back to determine the length and amount of the loan.  Your lack of an installment loan may be a small issue regardless of how good your FICO score is, all the more reason to work with a credit union.  

 

I was able to buy a great 2014 Mazda 3 for with 48,000 miles on it and certified pre owned for 12k, honestly I was surprised we could get that good of a car for that budget so I think you will have a fairly large number of options.  If you buy from a dealer i suggest resisting the temptation to buy their extended warranties and protection plans, they can really set you back financially.  In reality cars these days are increadibly reliable these days so those extended warranties are money in the bank for them.

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Gunnar419
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Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?


@Anonymous wrote:

I would work with a credit union on this for sure.  The question on how big an auto loan probably should be made by you not by a lender given your income level. My guess is you don't have a lot of discretionary income left after expenses (I may be totally wrong). My point is decide how much you want or can comfortably pay each month and then work your way back to determine the length and amount of the loan.  Your lack of an installment loan may be a small issue regardless of how good your FICO score is, all the more reason to work with a credit union.  

 

I was able to buy a great 2014 Mazda 3 for with 48,000 miles on it and certified pre owned for 12k, honestly I was surprised we could get that good of a car for that budget so I think you will have a fairly large number of options.  If you buy from a dealer i suggest resisting the temptation to buy their extended warranties and protection plans, they can really set you back financially.  In reality cars these days are increadibly reliable these days so those extended warranties are money in the bank for them.


You're very right, workingfor850, I will be careful about deciding what I can afford. I'm wondering whether the bank will loan me that much, but I love not being in debt and I'll go on foot rather than get myself into more car debt than I can comfortably repay! I'd like to keep the loan below $10k, hopefully closer to $8k. I'm just have no idea whether I can even get that much on my income.

 

I have a small regional bank I'll try first, but a CU would be my next choice after that.

 

I'm encouraged to know that newer used cars are available at affordable prices. I live in a fairly remote area where choices aren't that great and prices at dealerships seem high while good used cars from private parties are hard to find.

 

 

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DaveInAZ
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Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?


@Gunnar419 wrote:

I have excellent credit but a basement-level income. I've always had old cars that I paid cash for, but after the most recent one died I decided that if I'm going to get another car I want it to be something that won't be on the verge of breaking down all the time.

 

Here's my situation.

 

FICO8 scores are all in the low 800s. I don't know my auto FICO

 

My credit is ccs only, no loans of any kind

 

Cc utilization is less than 1% (total debt under $250)

 

No lates, no baddies, zero inquiries on all 3 CRAs, AAoA stratospheric

 

No mortgage, no car payments, monthly living expenses very modest

 

I own my own home

 

My total income is only around $12,000

 

I would like to get something like a lightly used Toyota Yaris or Honda Fit. A used Prius is also a possibility, or a Subaru. I just want something RELIABLE and with no more than 60-80k miles on it

 

I don't have a trade-in but could probably pay $2,000 downpayment.

 

Currently I have all three reports frozen, so before I unfreeze them, go to my bank, and start running up inquiries, can you good people give me some idea whether on my income I could qualify for enough of a loan to buy the good, late model used car I'm thinking about? Thank you!


Red Highligh@t: I thought I was living in poverty with around $22k income. Smiley Embarassed But you know, if you trim expenses and watch your pennies & nickels, you really can get by comfortably with a modest income. For a car loan they will look at DTI - Debt to Income ratio. With no debt, that's easy for you. I recall that for a mortgage lenders want to see a DTI of no more than 25%. For a car it's probably higher, but let's be conservtive andf stick with 25% DTI. So with your income of $1k/mo., that means a car payment of no more than $250/mo., with your conservtive approach to debt I imagine you would want a payment less than that. My car loan for $10k taken out in Feb, 2015 at 1.99% for 60 months has a payment of $175.07, but rates have gone up a bit since then. EDIT: My small local CU posts their loan rates on their website. For A+ credit (725+)., for  used car up to $15k for 60 months their rate is now 3.45%. So around 3.5% is about as good a rate as you can expect. I have an amortiztion calculator for Excel, a $10k loan for 60 months @ 3.5% would have a payment of $181.92.

 

Blue Highlight: Don't forget tax & title. I bought my 2013 Mazda 2 from Hertz in Feb. 2015 for $10k. My lender, a small local credit union, would loan the full amount up to the Kelly Blue Book value. Hertz's price was under KBB, so they loaned me the full $10k w/no down payment, but I had to pay Tax & Title of just under $1400. That's AZ state & county sales tax of 6.2%, and in my opinion, AZ car registration is crazy high. It's based on the car value, and for a $10k car the annual registration was $250!

 

Another consideration is that since you've been driving "beaters" you probably have just been carrying state minimum liability insurance? Any lender will require you to carry collision & comprehensive + liability, my lender allowed only a deductible of $500 - I usually go for $1k deductible, as my attitude is you only make an insurance claim for something you can't afford to pay yourself. I've been with American Family Insurance for home & auto for years, but they quoted me $427 for 6 mos. for the Mazda. Progressive quoted me $380. I went with Geico for $318.

 

I thought I lived in the boonies, but if the nearest Hertz rental is hours away for you, you beat me - I picked mine up in Tucson, about an hour away. Other rental companies sell their used rentals, I remember looking at Enterprise, but preferred Hertz for price & selection. You might try Autotrader.com, you can search by 50-100-250+ miles from your zip code, and their list of used cars include private sellers, dealers & rental companies.

 

Good luck!

- Your fellow frugalista.

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Gunnar419
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Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?

Thanks again, DaveInAZ. I appreciate not only your helpfulness but the level of detail you always offer.

 

I wouldn't forget tax and title, but I WAS forgetting the higher insurance rates! You assumed right when you said I've been paying the minimums. High deductible, no coverage in my vehicle and so on. I never even thought about a lender requiring much better coverages.

 

Yes, I'm really in the boonies. Generally I like it, but it does make it very hard when you need a service only available in large cities. Following your tip in another thread, my current plan is to go in July or August and buy a Yaris from Hertz, 2-3 years old, with milage under 40k, for $10k or under (not counting those extras you reminded me of).

 

If some other opportunity comes along between now and then, I might go for it, but it feels good to have a plan and an idea that the plan is achievable.

 

I would like to keep monthly payments under $150.

 

I live surprisingly ok on my income, but it doesn't allow for any expensive surprises.

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Gunnar419
Valued Contributor

Re: How big an auto loan am I likely to qualify for?

OP coming in to update this thread.

 

I got my loan. It was just under $10k. I  ended up buying a vehicle 30% more expensive than the Yaris I originally set my sights on. This was not an impulse decision at the dealership, but one I made before going in. However, I had already gotten an $8,500 approval from my home bank and was faced with either using that loan and making a downpayment so large it would strip my bank accounts completely or allowing the dealer to run my credit for a larger loan.

 

I allowed the dealer to run my credit, but only after I told both the salesman and the dealership manager that they had permission to put no more than two HPs on my credit. I know they understood me because we had a long discussion about HPs vs SPs. The salesperson said that he, too, hated multiple inquiries. The manager assured me that they wouldn't even do two pulls. He said they'd go to the bank most likely to give the best terms and make "ONE PULL ONLY."

 

I thought about putting that in writing, but in the stress of the buying process I didn't. You can guess what happened.

 

I got home to find 2 new pulls on TransUnion and 4 on Equifax. Only one of them was properly coded as auto. One was actually coded "Finance," which I know is very negative.

 

I was furious. Of course I'm lucky that they didn't slap me with 10 or 15 HPs, and as far as I know right now the pulls didn't damage my score very much, although those multiple pulls on Equifax could mean manual reviews if I app for any further credit.

 

Mostly I'm outraged at those lying scumbags at the dealership and angry at myself for ever believing a word spoken by a car dealer, especially when I thought I knew better and was better prepared this time. It's hard for an honest, decent person to understand that every, single person at a car dealership has to be considered a psychopathic, lying, professional con artist. It's sad to have to do business with people that, for your own self defense, you have to consider to be creeps, but it's a reality and I failed to deal properly with it.

 

I know the usual recommendation around here is not to dispute legitimate inquiries, but since these are "legitimate" in purpose but absolutely unauthorized in fact, I'm not sure what to do.

 

 

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