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Land Rover Score Issue

Hey guys, I live in Washington state but I was looking at leasing a 2018 Range Rover Velar from dealer in California.  After going back and forth for over two weeks we finally agreed on a number.  Dealer had asked me for my beacon score from Experian, which i thought was simply myfico auto score 8 or 2 (older version).  Anyways when i pulled up the score on 09/27, it showed 738 for auto score 8 and 713 for auto score 2, which (according to the dealer) should qualify me for tier 1 rates.  However, today when dealership pulled my report, they said that my beacon is at 660 (tier 3 = $47/month difference).  I spoke with the finance manager and he said that he is not able to share the report with me unless i come in to the dealership (umm..1200 miles away dude!) but after a lengthy discussion he told me that beacon = auto score 2 from experian.  He asked me to send over my scores to him and that he will call the bank tomorrow to verify.  I even pulled up auto scores directly from Experian and results are exactly the same as myfico. 

 

I am wondering if you anyone else has experienced similar issue and if i should even bother getting my hopes up. Also does anyone know if beacon score = auto score 2 or different? 

 

Thanks in advance!

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Appleman
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Re: Land Rover Score Issue

I would recommend pulling your 3 B report here and see if the 660 comes up in one of the versions. This will be your true FICO scores and versions. I did not think you could pull all (official Auto, Credit Card, Mortgage etc) FICO versions from Experian.

 

Also, I believe banks can have their own overlay or template that will give them a different score because it may weigh things differently.

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Anonymous
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Re: Land Rover Score Issue

@appleman

Thank you for replying to my inquiry. I got the autoscore 8 and 2 from the 3B report. Also, pulled directly from experian to verify. The only logical explanation would be that chase is using their own properietry scoring system. I will post the results once i hear back from the finance manager.
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shevar
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@xzessdnied I would like to know the results also. Thanks!
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Anonymous
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Re: Land Rover Score Issue

I couldn't get clear explanation from the finance manager either so he got an analyst from land rover financial aka chase on the phone. Basically there was an issue with my child support order where wa state stopped applying payments to the account since (according to them) the original child support order had expired. I didn't know until I recieved a $4500 check saying I overpaid on my child support. Long story short, I sent the check back and got the issue fixed however state ended up reporting it as a overdue collection on my report. After several disputes they removed the collection & my score jumped back up. Well I guess I didn't pay close enough attention because although they removed the collection status & started reporting back as positive trade,p the bureau or state didnt fix the 90+ late pay reporting.

Analyst said that although the bureau may be reporting it as positive trade and not factor in recent late pays, their system catches this info by looking at up to 5-year history on each account listed on the report. I offered to send in documents including even a letter from WA child support division staying that it was system error that caused the entire issue and I have never been late on my payments. However, analyst said that it wont matter since they can only consider info they get from credit agencies.

After hanging up and giving up all hope to get better rate, i recieved a call from the GM of dealership. Apparently the finance manager spoke with him about the issue so he got of a hold of his contact at chase and had them move me up to tier 1 Smiley Happy

Finally flew put to LA on Wed morning to pick up the car and drove it back to seattle...After 17 hours and 34 min is when the supercharged turbo finally got its well deserved break...haha
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Anonymous
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By the way I found out that land rover/Chase's tier I & II is are same rate. Another thing im really surprised to learn is that MF, residuals and score requirements for different tiers can vary from dealer to dealer. In Seattle MF was .00541 (12.99% APR = HORRIBLE), 53% residual & required 700+ fico to be considered tier I, vs. Pasadena .0007 (1.68% APR), 55% residual and 730+ fico for tier I. In NY, land rover of huntington, offered the best MF of .0003 (.72% APR) with 57% residual value but 750+ fico to qualify for top tier. Their sister dealership in glenn cove (same owner) didnt have same offer (apparently only handul of dealers are offered this privilage by chase) but close to what i got in pasadena. Unfortunately neither dealetship were willing to sell me a car since i dont live in ny city/long island area. Apparently land rover discourage or may be even prohibits dealers from selling to out of state customers due to the whole "people reselling and exporting to Asia" issue. But luckily if you go through a good broker they can get around this issue. The broker in LA area was super amazing! Not sure if im able to mention them in my posts so I leave out that info.
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JGGM
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Re: Land Rover Score Issue

Typically the Money Factor is not necessarily better from dealer to dealer per se. But money factor can be marked up just like traditional financing at a dealership. Each vehicle has a set MF from the lease lender (from here dealer can mark it up), but it can vary depending on your geographical region, just as rebates on purchasing vehicle varies by region. Hence why you might see a MF difference in different states. Just my $.02 having worked in the automotive industry for almost 10 years. 

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nykos5000
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Re: Land Rover Score Issue


@Anonymous wrote:
By the way I found out that land rover/Chase's tier I & II is are same rate. Another thing im really surprised to learn is that MF, residuals and score requirements for different tiers can vary from dealer to dealer. In Seattle MF was .00541 (12.99% APR = HORRIBLE), 53% residual & required 700+ fico to be considered tier I, vs. Pasadena .0007 (1.68% APR), 55% residual and 730+ fico for tier I. In NY, land rover of huntington, offered the best MF of .0003 (.72% APR) with 57% residual value but 750+ fico to qualify for top tier. Their sister dealership in glenn cove (same owner) didnt have same offer (apparently only handul of dealers are offered this privilage by chase) but close to what i got in pasadena. Unfortunately neither dealetship were willing to sell me a car since i dont live in ny city/long island area. Apparently land rover discourage or may be even prohibits dealers from selling to out of state customers due to the whole "people reselling and exporting to Asia" issue. But luckily if you go through a good broker they can get around this issue. The broker in LA area was super amazing! Not sure if im able to mention them in my posts so I leave out that info.

This is interesting...as mentioned, dealers do mark up the MF and this allows profit on the backend of the loan, especially if the car was heavily discounted from the MSRP. Not sure why there are differences in residual values if all those posted are for the same mileage. Maybe Land Rover Finance AKA Chase publishes regional residuals but for the most part its national. 

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Anonymous
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I am about to lease a velar from a local Land Rover dealership in Houston, TX. Do you know what report did they end up relying on? Was it the Fico auto score 8? Thanks!
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Anonymous
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Sorry for the delayed response. They pulled Experian for me although I would've preferred Equifax. I asked dealer if they could use my Equifax score but they told me that LRF only looks at Exp ficos. Odd part was that they looked at both Fico 8 and Fico 2. Never heard of that before but one can expect bizareness when dealing with LR financial aka Chase.
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