Yes, the 8.25% was with the automatic withdrawal discount. My CU exclusively pulls TU, but all my scores are within that 670-680 range, with their next tier being in the 690 range. I do not foresee getting into the next tier unless one of my goodwill letters magically work and a charge off falls. 8.25% is quite manageable for me at this point, however, the dealers all said they could get me their prime rate. One things gets my goat is the so called 'dealer fee'. Since there is no cap on it in KY, they range from $99 to $799. I am leaning towards the CUs recommendation that is to go with the Enterprise car sales where this made up fee is only $149. I appreciate everybody's comments.