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@Varsity_Lu wrote:
@EasyMark wrote:When Aven asked in the application process if she owned a house, she said "yes" (because to say otherwise would be fraudulent)
The rep had said she could apply again in six months (although none of the circumstances that led to her denial would obviously change at that time), and strongly pushed the HELOC card on us instead (no thanks).
And there it is.
There is something not right about this company. OP, you are to be commended for your honesty. Aven's denial and counter tells us a lot about what they are really all about.
I wonder, has anyone who owns a home (and admitted it) ever been approved for this card? Seriously asking.
OK so when I signed up YES I told them I have a house (mortgage).....I was approved for the 3% credit card 15K limit....now they show my mortgage in the app, they show my apr on the mortgage (they can't beat so I guess they leave me alone) I have NEVER had them push a HELCO on me...the only thing towards that is under the black box where the credit card limit is shown, a green flag is always there, that says if you want a 450K CL change to our HELCO card... as for "ethical" and nice to deal with I LOVE this place way MORE than Citi - that is MY experience.....
Good to hear from my friends on this.
When we were jilted by Aven (I am currently in the process of a "revenge tour" of commencing a (legal) tranactional abuse of their Aven 1% cashback debit card from the Aven account we signed up for in good faith, on every questionable cashback use I can find, just for amusement and education!), I did immediately apply my spouse (and get approved) for a Citi AT&T Points Plus card (we just got AT&T, so on top of the 2-4% on the phones/internet, it gives a $20 monthly bonus on $1000 spend, so it gives us 3% for $1000 a month general spend (including 5% for gas and 4% for groceries possible in there, if needed), plus another 1% when I use my TAB debit card to pay via phone (not too bad- a great no-FTF card for general non-business expenses on our overseas trip in Oct, too, and a $200 SUB)). My main bank, US Bank, has uniquely screwed around with only one of my cards - the State Farm card which gives 3% on insurance - dropping my credit mysteriously from $10K to $500 one day before I paid my insurance bill two years ago (my FICO is 848, so that is not an issue), with no explanation provided, and none of my other many US Bank card affected (maybe due to low use since its only good for charges twice a year), and is pesky to get raised again without a hard pull.
My first personal priority is getting a Citi Double Cash, so I can get my treasured Citi ThankYou Card points out at full strength since I can't transfer them to my wife anymore, and they have been notorious with me and hardcore on the 0/6 inquiries, so I am keeping my powder dry to reapply with them at the end of Sept right before we head to Rome (30th anniversary) and being 0/6 then (BTW a Citi agent (after I set up a Citi checking account last week to establish the mythical "relationship" leeway) told me yesterday I could product change to a Custom Cash immediately afterwards if I get the Double Cash, but I know now that agents know less than we do what's going on (leading to the sacred practice of HUCA). Accordingly, right after I submit that I will submit a WTH app with Aven just for meaness; I can honestly say I don't own a home since I signed the house over to my wife many, many years ago to avoid unscrupulous business associates as a precaution. Next week I'm trying to get the Huntington Business Voice 4% card for my fledgling (but 23-year old) book publishing business and travel (and 4% dining cashback for business expenses overseas), and my wife a Langley 5% card to match mine (the greatest card after the ThankYou if people only knew all it can do), but both parties are going over us worse than when I got my secret security clearance long ago (The Huntington new branch people locally were useless, so I did get approved for the personal and business checking accounts online, and loaded them with a lot of bucks to hopefully get a big $1600 bonus (no direct deposit needed for either), and then apply for the card next week when I have zero inquiries over two years on my Trans Union report).
Some have asked why all the fuss for a capped 3% card; my agenda was one of "insurance," as a double ententre; (a) A 2+% card for the categories our 1.0 Smartlys (which we were blessed to get in the nick of time) and BoA Customized cards do not cover (a number of biggies), such as insurance and (b) insurance against when the Smartly 1.0s reach their inevitable demise, and get ahead of the game. We currently use a stash of Visa gift cards from ThankYou card offers to pay our many medical bills, some quarterly taxes (along with two Custom Cashes) and insurance (they even paid $44 grand for our new HVAC system and roof weeks ago!), but the Missus wants me to tone down on them, so I need surrogates (who knows when they finally close the doors on gift cards too (due to widespread "fraudulent activity" - boo hoo!)). To be honest, my 2% Synchrony card and 2% Bread card can get 3% with the 1% debit card payments for both banks (4% with our Paypal card as well), but I'm not counting on that staying either. As Dylan said, "The times, they are a'changin'..."
This reflection has caused me to have interest in seeing a thread here of what are everyone's "white whale" banks that for mysterious reasons will not approve you for the "holy grail" cards you want, due to unreasonable or inexplicable criteria, your not fitting their desired demographics or being seen as a profitable customer, etc. I think there would be some surprises; for me, its Citi, and surprisingly Wells Fargo (they rejected applications for both my wife and I (both 840+ FICO at the time, 2-3% utilization and long reports, and minimum inquiries) for the Autograph Journey card for our trip, even with a bundle of money in savings accounts there, and it being the only card there I'm interested in).
Sorry to be so scant on details again, and my usual laconic self!
If you got a nice banking relationship with Wells, give a reconsideration a go and press on the relationship, what you have with them, worked for me.



Citi:

US Bank:

Chase:
Aven:
RH:
Spend: Less than 10k per year organic (frugal). MS varies, can be more significant.
(Aug of 26) Scorecard: Clean, Thick, Mature (Always PIF)
HP's: EQ 2/6, 2/12, 8/24 | TU 1/6, 4/12, 7/24 | EX 0/6, 2/12, 9/24
New Accounts: 2/6, 6/12, 10/24
Sorry to hear about the misfortune... I wouldn't exactly say this was humiliating or anything, but unfortunate sure.
@dfwxjer wrote:Sorry to hear about the misfortune... I wouldn't exactly say this was humiliating or anything, but unfortunate sure.
It's humiliating in the sense that Easy Mark had to not only explain about his situation on the phone to an Aven rep but write it out only to still get the same answer. That and sharing the experience on this forum. Easy Mark you have an impressive credit and financial history! There's also the Robinhood Gold 3% card out there too. Have you ever considered that one?
GL EM!
@ptatohed wrote:Bummer EM. I have read time and time again that people who own their home outright and put $0 for their mortgage have had application issues. It's advised to always put some positive number. Even if it means a little fudging. i.e. Use your property taxes, your insurance, your HOA, etc. to determine your "mortgage". In your case, you say they never asked your mortgage amount. That's a first for me. In my experience, if they ask you if you own or rent, and you say own, the next question is what is your monthly mortgage payment? But, then again, they can answer their own question just by reviewing your credit reports. Which it sounds like they did in your case.
Sorry man. Sounds like you took your time and did all the proper propitiations to the Aven gods before applying. All that time and effort just to basically get a perma-no.
I would probably keep trying with underwriting and ask for a manual review.
GL!
P.S. What about AOD? 3% on $1500/mo. Ends up being $18,000 / yr spending cap opposed to Aven's $10,000 cap, albeit less flexible if you needed to make a single large purchase over $1500.
I own my house outright, always put $0 as housing costs, and have been approved for 20+ credit cards doing so.
I have had this happen to me several times. I just blow it off, and chalk it up to never again. Our home was paid off the day we bought it, same with our cars, yet they still use both of these against me from time to time.
I just apped for the Aven 3% cashback rewards card. Received a declined response of "Our automated system was unable to approve your application: Too many open credit cards." ![]()
Not totally down though just because I currently do still have the AOD 3% cashback rewards card...
Former cards:DMB Titanium MC @ 90-day, 0% grace period | $4k BEFCU MC @ 5.49% F | $21.9k Citi DPR @ 5.99% F | Chase Platinum MC @ Prime+1.67% |
Shocking, a denial for too many open revolvers when you have 39. Wonder what their cutoff is? Surprised more issuers don't do the same. Have to say, I don't blame them. Thank you for the data point! Good that you have backup plan!



Citi:

US Bank:

Chase:
Aven:
RH:
Spend: Less than 10k per year organic (frugal). MS varies, can be more significant.
(Aug of 26) Scorecard: Clean, Thick, Mature (Always PIF)
HP's: EQ 2/6, 2/12, 8/24 | TU 1/6, 4/12, 7/24 | EX 0/6, 2/12, 9/24
New Accounts: 2/6, 6/12, 10/24