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AMEX Green Card Credit Score effects question

I just received in the mail a so called "invitation" from American Express to apply for their green card, I do have 2 credit cards right now a Barclaycard Apple rewrds Visa wich I got about 5 months ago and has a $1500 CL and about a month ago I got a United Mileageplus Club Visa card issued by Chase with a $15K CL I tried not to used them as much but I do keep a minimum amount charged to both so I can have a credit/payment history, the Barclay has about $190 charged to it and the United Mileageplus about $400, I've been working on my credit, when I got the Barclay I had a 682 FICO score and right now my FICO score is at 732, lately I've been getting tons of pre approvals from different credit cards but I'm not really in the need of another card neither interested in having lots of them, but I wouldn't mind having an AMEX card, now I know is not a credit card but a charge card instead and the balance has to paid in full, wich I actually like that, in fact I would love to do that with my other cards but I know that keeping a balance on them help my credit score and payment history, now the question is what impact will applying and having the AMEX card have on my credit score, since they don't have a credit line ammount or credit limit, how this will be reflected in my score? Like I mentioned before is not that i need another card but if having the AMEX is going to help to improve my credit score then I'll definetely interested on it, if it's going to hurt my score more than help it then I'll just pass on it.

 

Other question I have is that I've read that is better to apply for the Gold instead of the Green since is a better card and the chances of approval are about the same, but my pre aproval is for the green tho.

 

Any help/input on this subject will be very appreciate it

 

Thanks

 

 

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EJMiv
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Re: AMEX Green Card Credit Score effects question

How it would affect your credit score will vary with the scoring model used. Some just see it as a revolving credit card, so the lack of a credit limit could lower your utilization in these cases if you allow a balance to report. For other models which recognize charge cards properly, the account type shows as open (as in open line of credit, or no pre-set limit), but again any balance carried will still factor into your utilization. But, when it's being counted as open, this can give your score a minor boost since it will diversify the types of credit in your history. 

 

So, if you decide to pull the trigger and apply, I'd recommend the Premier Rewards Gold over the Green. The annual fee is $100 more, but you're also getting $100 in airline fee credits per year. If you do your homework, you might figure out how to trigger the credit with gift card purchases instead. There are also bonus points for certain categories of spend, whereas Green is 1 point per dollar on all purchases.

 

On top of that, there's a 50,000 Membership Rewards points sign up bonus with no annual fee for the first year offer if you search on how to get it. With Green, you're lucky if you get the annual fee waived for the first year, if you get a bonus at all.

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takeshi74
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Re: AMEX Green Card Credit Score effects question


@Anonymous wrote:

I wouldn't mind having an AMEX card, now I know is not a credit card but a charge card instead and the balance has to paid in full, wich I actually like that, in fact I would love to do that with my other cards but I know that keeping a balance on them help my credit score and payment history


It sounds like you're confusing things.  You never need to carry a balance for scoring purposes.  You may want a balance to report but having a balance report and carrying a balance are two entirely different things.  You can certainly pay all your cards in full and still have however many balances you want to report.  It's all a matter of when you pay in full.  If you pay in full prior to report date (statement date for most cards) then you won't have a balance report.  If you wait until after the statement is generated and then pay then a balance will report.  Any payment you make after the balance is reported will not reduce the reported balance.

 

You also don't need to carry a balance for payment history.  Payment History is based on payments -- not carried balances.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

now the question is what impact will applying and having the AMEX card have on my credit score, since they don't have a credit line ammount or credit limit, how this will be reflected in my score?


It's not simply a matter of the card itself but your existing profile and how the card impacts your profile.  In other words, there isn't a fixed impact for all people for any given card.  That said, current models generally don't factor charge cards into revolving utilization.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

I wouldn't mind having an AMEX card


Given what I've posted make sure you carefully reassess how AmEx charge cards are suited to you.  Carefully review the Membership Rewards programs to see if you can make the most value per point via redemptions.  My wife and I have been taking the Platinum for a spin but we really can't do much with MR points so we'll be ditching it in the near future.  Ultimate Rewards is just better suited to us.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

Other question I have is that I've read that is better to apply for the Gold instead of the Green since is a better card and the chances of approval are about the same, but my pre aproval is for the green tho.

 


Better is always highly subjective regardless of topic but many don't find the Green worthwhile given its MR earn rate and benefits compared to the PRG (not the standard Gold).  Given that best is subjective you need to see if the MR earn rates and benefits are worth the AF for you.  That said, there are those who find the Green best suited to their specific needs/wants.

 

Its not a matter of odds.  Approvals aren't just random.  Whether one is approved or not all depends on whether or not one's credit and income qualify.  The underwriting criteria is the same for all charge cards except the Centurion.  You just pick the features, benefits and AF that best suit you.

 

Preapps are just marketing so don't just respond to preapps and offers.  Use you specfiic needs/wants to select cards that are suited to you and apply for them.

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX Green Card Credit Score effects question

So when you say this: "so the lack of a credit limit could lower your utilization in these cases if you allow a balance to report"  when it would a case that I could allow a balance to report? will this be if I paid it off after recieving statement? or actualy if I paid off after the due date? if I pay before recieving statement or in between recivieng it and due date will this help my score in anyway or the impact will be minimum?

 

As far as benefits, well my United club card has most of benefits that I want, specially for traveling, since is the main airline that I utilize for Flying back to my country of origin is united and lots of abroad benefits, of course more benefits won't be bad but I guess I do need to do my homework to se if they're worth to pay another $100 fee, now on the offer I got from Amex they are waiving the fee for the first year, I didn't anything about extra points tho

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Anonymous
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Re: AMEX Green Card Credit Score effects question

Thanks for the aclaration, I was definetely confused about carry on a balance, I didn't know that I could pay it off after recievieng the statement and still good points towards my credit score, I guess now I just need to get out of the habit of trying to pay it off before of recieving the statement 

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