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Big Picture Questions: PRG + CSP vs. CSR and Points vs. Cash Back

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Anonymous
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Re: Big Picture Questions: PRG + CSP vs. CSR and Points vs. Cash Back


@Anonymous wrote:

You are very heavy on the Marriott/Chase side of the fence which makes me feel like you should be oriented around United Airlines. Smiley Tongue

I associate Delta with AmEx MR Pts and SPG as you can create an excellent vacuum of points with the EDP + Plat Biz + Plat Personal combo. It's like a steal. Smiley Very Happy

 

If you juggle the numbers and the CSP works for you (espcially if you can get it), you'd probably want to go in that direction. Estimate how many points you think you'd be able to get between now and December and see if it's worth missing out on 50k points. I don't have any Chase cards, but do they offer some kind of incentive to PC? I will they let you get like 10k after 'X' amount of spend? I know some companies do that.

 

December is practically a year away. Between Resturant and Travel, my AmEx year end statements say I spent about 24k. I'm guessing that would net about 72k Chase UR points so in my case, I would not wait.

 

Do some calculations!! Smiley Happy


Yeah, I think you're right, that's the calculation I need to run.  I think it'll ultimately be worth it, and I think I'll be able to get more value out of my points this way.  My friends know that I collect points, so they often allow me to pay at restaurants and we just use Chase Quick Pay to reimburse each other (that's a super convenient tool, by the way, and you don't have to have Chase accounts to use it).

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Anonymous
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Re: Big Picture Questions: PRG + CSP vs. CSR and Points vs. Cash Back


@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

 

 

 

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Well have you considered waiting to see what the revisions are going to be for the consumer version of the Amex Plat?  Or, how ...


I keep seeing this statement in different places... is this a real thing? (Not to post-hijack)


Personally I'm not convinced we'll see more changes than we already have.  The Platinum card and the CSR are really different products.  The CSR is almost what you get when you take half of the perks of the Platinum card and combine it with the points earning potential of the PRG, while the Platinum card is mostly about perks (for example, the CSR doesn't give you hotel status while the Platinum card does, but the CSR has better bonus point categories), so the cards are really for different market segments.  Now that Chase is backing down on its sign up bonus, I think Amex will think the worst has past, so I don't anticipate significant changes coming to the Platinum card.

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sillykitty1
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Re: Big Picture Questions: PRG + CSP vs. CSR and Points vs. Cash Back


@Anonymous wrote:

In this new year I've been revisiting my credit card rewards strategies.  It all started when I realized that the MileagePlus X app no longer works for the Amex travel credit.  I've never been a fan of how difficult that credit is to use (locked into one airline and it only works for non-airfare purchases--there are reports of gift cards being eligible, but those reports don't seem consistent).  I'm also frustrated with how American Express applies a surcharge to transfers to Delta.  I prefer to fly Delta (although I find myself flying Southwest more often), but SkyMiles aren't worth that much to begin with.  I have travel planned this year that will use up all of my SkyMiles and I'll be able to use my Amex credit on bag fees, so I'm fine for this year.  However, if I don't end up keeping the PRG past this year, it doesn't really make sense for me to be putting much spend on it, so I'm trying to work out my strategy.

 

I'm currently 7/24 until the end of October (but I won't be below 5/24 until the end of December), so I'm not going to be able to apply for the CSR to get the massive sign up bonus before it ends.  I also have several different chase cards (CSP, CF, CFU, Hyatt, Marriott, & Slate), so I don't expect to be able to bypass the 5/24 rule by getting preapproved at a branch (and I'm nowhere close to becoming a Chase Private Client).  I never thought that the CSR would make sense for me because I don't really spend much money on travel in any given year.  I collect points specifically so I can travel without spending much money.  However, I started thinking about things...  Assume I did spend $300 on travel in a year: this makes my effective annual fee $150 for the CSR.  Between my CSP and PRG, I'm currently paying an effective annual fee of $190.  All of a sudden the CSR with its $450 annual fee starts looking like it makes sense.

 

I then started thinking about things on a per-point basis.  If I flat out canceled my PRG, my CSP would allow me to buy tickets on Delta at 1.25 cents per point.  This is approximately the value of SkyMiles, at least according to The Points Guy.  The CSR raises the value of UR points to 1.5 cents per point when used on travel through the UR portal.  This appears to be a better value per point, at least when redeeming for flights on Delta.

 

Things start falling apart for me when I start comparing the CSR to my Citi DC card.  On non-bonus category purchases, I can get 2% cash back on my DC card but only 1.875% (effectively) when spending with my CFU and redeeming with a CSR.  So if I were looking to outright buy Delta flights, it would appear that the Citi DC card provides a better return.  [EDIT: I'm an idiot; the redemption on the CFU is 1.5, not 1.25.  I have no idea how I came up with that number]. The obvious point I can hear you making is that the CSR and the CF offer bonus categories, and the DC doesn't.  For what it's worth, I spend a lot of money at restaurants every year (it was the only category I maxed out on my CF last year), so the elevated rewards on dining through the CSR would actually be a benefit to me.  (Canceling my PRG would also help me consolidate my restaurant spending onto one card--I'd also still get elevated rewards using my BCP on groceries and gas).  The CSR also comes with other benefits, of course.  I don't fly that many times a year, but a priority pass would actually be useful for my travel plans this year (but we're talking maybe 4 one-way trips... maybe 6).  I'd also be able to get Global Entry for free (but my travel partners for this year don't have it and don't plan on getting it or TSA Pre-Check).

 

So what I'm really here today to ask for is whether I'm right in thinking that the CSR actually offers more value to me than the CSP + PRG?  Is this even true if I don't get any bonus to product change or should I wait to apply at the start of 2018 even though I could use some CSR benefits this year?  Also, with respect to your own strategies, how do you decide whether to go with points, points that can be used like cash, and cash back?

 

----tl;dr version----

 

Drop PRG and CSP to get CSR?  Product change without bonus now or apply with bonus in 2018?

How do YOU decide between collecting/redeeming points, points that can be used like cash, and cash back?


You've gotten good advice here, and I think you're on the right track evaluating your spend.

 

I'm a Delta traveler, and have both the Amext Plat & CSP/CSR, so I'll weigh in on the highlighted parts.

 

Delta egift cards in $50 increments have consistently worked for the Amex airline credit for years.  Of course this loophole can be closed at anytime.  But I have had success, and on flyertalk this is consistently reported as working.

 

The value of Skymiles, I personally wouldn't use TPG's valuations as gospel.  It really depends on how you use them.  In my experience, it depends what prices are out of your home airport, and if you want to fly domestic/coach or international business.  If you are based in a small city, or one without much airline competition, then ticket prices will be higher and Skymiles are worth more.  Also, if you're interested in international travel in business class, you can almost always come ahead with Skymiles.  For example, I'm LAX based, which is very competitive, and coach flights both domestic and international are almost always really affordable.  So it almost never makes sense for me to redeem miles for coach.  But international business is almost always over $3K, so any "low" redemption is a good use of miles.  

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Anonymous
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Re: Big Picture Questions: PRG + CSP vs. CSR and Points vs. Cash Back


@sillykitty1 wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

In this new year I've been revisiting my credit card rewards strategies.  It all started when I realized that the MileagePlus X app no longer works for the Amex travel credit.  I've never been a fan of how difficult that credit is to use (locked into one airline and it only works for non-airfare purchases--there are reports of gift cards being eligible, but those reports don't seem consistent).  I'm also frustrated with how American Express applies a surcharge to transfers to Delta.  I prefer to fly Delta (although I find myself flying Southwest more often), but SkyMiles aren't worth that much to begin with.  I have travel planned this year that will use up all of my SkyMiles and I'll be able to use my Amex credit on bag fees, so I'm fine for this year.  However, if I don't end up keeping the PRG past this year, it doesn't really make sense for me to be putting much spend on it, so I'm trying to work out my strategy.

 

I'm currently 7/24 until the end of October (but I won't be below 5/24 until the end of December), so I'm not going to be able to apply for the CSR to get the massive sign up bonus before it ends.  I also have several different chase cards (CSP, CF, CFU, Hyatt, Marriott, & Slate), so I don't expect to be able to bypass the 5/24 rule by getting preapproved at a branch (and I'm nowhere close to becoming a Chase Private Client).  I never thought that the CSR would make sense for me because I don't really spend much money on travel in any given year.  I collect points specifically so I can travel without spending much money.  However, I started thinking about things...  Assume I did spend $300 on travel in a year: this makes my effective annual fee $150 for the CSR.  Between my CSP and PRG, I'm currently paying an effective annual fee of $190.  All of a sudden the CSR with its $450 annual fee starts looking like it makes sense.

 

I then started thinking about things on a per-point basis.  If I flat out canceled my PRG, my CSP would allow me to buy tickets on Delta at 1.25 cents per point.  This is approximately the value of SkyMiles, at least according to The Points Guy.  The CSR raises the value of UR points to 1.5 cents per point when used on travel through the UR portal.  This appears to be a better value per point, at least when redeeming for flights on Delta.

 

Things start falling apart for me when I start comparing the CSR to my Citi DC card.  On non-bonus category purchases, I can get 2% cash back on my DC card but only 1.875% (effectively) when spending with my CFU and redeeming with a CSR.  So if I were looking to outright buy Delta flights, it would appear that the Citi DC card provides a better return.  [EDIT: I'm an idiot; the redemption on the CFU is 1.5, not 1.25.  I have no idea how I came up with that number]. The obvious point I can hear you making is that the CSR and the CF offer bonus categories, and the DC doesn't.  For what it's worth, I spend a lot of money at restaurants every year (it was the only category I maxed out on my CF last year), so the elevated rewards on dining through the CSR would actually be a benefit to me.  (Canceling my PRG would also help me consolidate my restaurant spending onto one card--I'd also still get elevated rewards using my BCP on groceries and gas).  The CSR also comes with other benefits, of course.  I don't fly that many times a year, but a priority pass would actually be useful for my travel plans this year (but we're talking maybe 4 one-way trips... maybe 6).  I'd also be able to get Global Entry for free (but my travel partners for this year don't have it and don't plan on getting it or TSA Pre-Check).

 

So what I'm really here today to ask for is whether I'm right in thinking that the CSR actually offers more value to me than the CSP + PRG?  Is this even true if I don't get any bonus to product change or should I wait to apply at the start of 2018 even though I could use some CSR benefits this year?  Also, with respect to your own strategies, how do you decide whether to go with points, points that can be used like cash, and cash back?

 

----tl;dr version----

 

Drop PRG and CSP to get CSR?  Product change without bonus now or apply with bonus in 2018?

How do YOU decide between collecting/redeeming points, points that can be used like cash, and cash back?


You've gotten good advice here, and I think you're on the right track evaluating your spend.

 

I'm a Delta traveler, and have both the Amext Plat & CSP/CSR, so I'll weigh in on the highlighted parts.

 

Delta egift cards in $50 increments have consistently worked for the Amex airline credit for years.  Of course this loophole can be closed at anytime.  But I have had success, and on flyertalk this is consistently reported as working.

 

The value of Skymiles, I personally wouldn't use TPG's valuations as gospel.  It really depends on how you use them.  In my experience, it depends what prices are out of your home airport, and if you want to fly domestic/coach or international business.  If you are based in a small city, or one without much airline competition, then ticket prices will be higher and Skymiles are worth more.  Also, if you're interested in international travel in business class, you can almost always come ahead with Skymiles.  For example, I'm LAX based, which is very competitive, and coach flights both domestic and international are almost always really affordable.  So it almost never makes sense for me to redeem miles for coach.  But international business is almost always over $3K, so any "low" redemption is a good use of miles.  


That's actually really good advice.  I live in a medium-sized city, so there is some competition, but not lots.  Based on a few test searches, it looks like the value of SkyMiles varies broadly for my airport.  I even found domestic flights where I could get 2 cents per point, but I also found flights with values per point of far less.  This is probably related to Delta not having a posted rewards chart...  

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