CONFIRMED: New Wells Fargo “Autograph Journey” card

[LADave]

DoC: https://www.doctorofcredit.com/wells-fargo-to-launch-wells-fargo-autograph-journey-card-60000-points...

WF T&Cs: https://www.wellsfargo.com/credit-cards/autograph-journey-visa/terms/

WF Benefits page: https://www.wellsfargo.com/credit-cards/autograph-journey-visa/guide-to-benefits/

No date is given for when this will be released. The benefits appear to be almost identical to the vanilla Autograph, except for better travel protections (trip cancellation, lost baggage and accident insurance), a $95 AF and a 60K point SUB after spending $4K in 3 months.

Both Autograph cards appear to have identical points earnings outside the SUB.

This also coincides with news that WF is starting point transfer partners with the OG (no-AF) Autograph card on 12/10/23. No word yet if there will be differences between the old and new Autograph cards in how that system will work.

Edit: It looks like Wells Fargo has taken down the Terms and Conditions and benefits pages in the hour since I started this thread, or at least they've changed the links. I got the links from the DoC article.

[Eagered2succeed]

So rumor has it that Wells Fargo is releasing the Autograph journey which on the surface resembles the regular Autograph with a 95 annual fee. With it being so similar does everyone think the no annual fee Autograph will cease to exist? Do you think those with the no annual fee will be grandfathered into this one or will there be separate tiers like how CapOne does? I just wish they wouldn't have nerfed my Propel card.

https://www.doctorofcredit.com/wells-fargo-to-launch-wells-fargo-autograph-journey-card-60000-points...

[pizzadude]

Moving to Credit Cards for better visibility

[LADave]

@Eagered2succeedit looks like the original Autograph card will stay available. This makes sense - I think I've seen more promotions for it in the last month than I've seen in the entire time before that. (I was surprised to see an Autograph ad on Peacock when I paused a show about a week ago.)

The Points Guy has confirmed more details for Autograph Journey. They also refuted several details that DoC reported earlier:

• Autograph Journey is coming in 2024
• TPG's sources say that an annual fee has NOT been confirmed
• WF Points earnings will be more lucrative than the no-AF Autograph
• SUB has not been confirmed, and any SUB reported earlier was just speculation

(In addition to higher points per dollar of spend, I'm also curious if points transferred from Autograph Journey will be done at more favorable rates than with the no-AF Autograph.)

TPG also has updates about new products/features:

• Transfer partners will now launch in 2024. The earlier dates given by WF were December 10, 2023, and November 15, 2023 before that. (Wells Fargo's previous statements about transfer partners has been contradictory, and often without follow-up corrections when the original deadline was missed.)
• Other cards are coming in 2024. (WF appears to be preparing to launch what might be a series of "Signify" business credit cards.)

Despite their missteps with their transfer partners announcements, Wells Fargo does appear to be gunning for American Express and Chase territory, and the additional competition is welcome.

[Citylights18]

Unfortunate that Wells won't release the travel partners until 2024 but the longer they delay the chance of them being better is there.

[LADave]

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@Citylights18 wrote:

Unfortunate that Wells won't release the travel partners until 2024 but the longer they delay the chance of them being better is there.

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Maybe. It could be that they're trying to line up better transfer partners or more favorable agreements. Or perhaps they already have those agreements and they're delaying it to have a better launch of the Autograph Journey.

I was holding a couple months' worth of points until Saturday in hopes that maybe I could get a few thousand more American Airlines miles in exchange for them. I decided it didn't make sense to change my usual strategy of saving rewards dollars in a travel fund until I find out who the WF transfer partners are.

[lagr]

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@Eagered2succeed wrote:

wish they wouldn't have nerfed my Propel card

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Are there really any major disadvantages about how it changed from an Amex to a Visa card? I haven't noticed any differences myself. I just checked and it still gives me 50% more point value redeeming for airfare for having it paired with the ole WF Visa Signature card just like it did with the Propel. I like that I can use it more places that do not take Amex now, like some international for example. The only thing I ever disliked about it is it doesn't work well in parking gates due to being a metal card. Seems to be a similar metal as before. Interested to see if I can use those points with transfer partners down the road. Sometimes I think I might like a card with lounge access but honestly I don't fly a lot and love the simplicity of this card compared to the famous ones like Chase which has fee shenanigans and requirements to travel annually to make it worth it.

[Eagered2succeed]

Yes. It use to have Amex offers which opened you up to a whole lot of great cashback offers just like a regular Amex card. 

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@lagr wrote:

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@Eagered2succeed wrote:

wish they wouldn't have nerfed my Propel card

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Are there really any major disadvantages about how it changed from an Amex to a Visa card? I haven't noticed any differences myself. I just checked and it still gives me 50% more point value redeeming for airfare for having it paired with the ole WF Visa Signature card just like it did with the Propel. I like that I can use it more places that do not take Amex now, like some international for example. The only thing I ever disliked about it is it doesn't work well in parking gates due to being a metal card. Seems to be a similar metal as before. Interested to see if I can use those points with transfer partners down the road. Sometimes I think I might like a card with lounge access but honestly I don't fly a lot and love the simplicity of this card compared to the famous ones like Chase which has fee shenanigans and requirements to travel annually to make it worth it.

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[LADave]

I've just noticed a Reddit post noting new details for Autograph Journey and a small business card, from someone who claims to have a source at the bank. Without further confirmation, this should perhaps be taken for entertainment purposes only:

To be released in March

5X points hotels

4X points airlines

3X points travel/restaurants

1X points everything else

$50 annual airline credit

$95 annual fee ($45 effective after airline credit)

No confirmation in the post about SUB, transfer partners or other benefits. WF points can currently be cashed out at 1 cent per point. There were also some scant details about an upcoming business card in the post, which I've posted about here.

IMO, it seems likely that transfer partners will be coming soon, including for the no-AF Autograph card. It will be interesting to see if one of the benefits of the AF Journey card would be some kind of multiplier for transfer partners, to help make the AF a better value.

[swankytiger]

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@LADave wrote:

I've just noticed a Reddit post noting new details for Autograph Journey and a small business card, from someone who claims to have a source at the bank. Without further confirmation, this should perhaps be taken for entertainment purposes only:

To be released in March

5X points hotels

4X points airlines

3X points travel/restaurants

1X points everything else

$50 annual airline credit

$95 annual fee ($45 effective after airline credit)

No confirmation in the post about SUB, transfer partners or other benefits. WF points can currently be cashed out at 1 cent per point. There were also some scant details about an upcoming business card in the post, which I've posted about here.

IMO, it seems likely that transfer partners will be coming soon, including for the no-AF Autograph card. It will be interesting to see if one of the benefits of the AF Journey card would be some kind of multiplier for transfer partners, to help make the AF a better value.

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if true, WF didnt come to play with this card and it is a major shot across the bow of other big travel cards. also those multis read like that would be a high tier card.  aka a $95 af is way too low. those multis are for a $450+ card.