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Fun credit card strategy...

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Anonymous
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Re: Fun credit card strategy...

Well, not the same end goal, but I've heard that Citi has denied people for not carrying balances on their cards, and the reason given when the reconsideration line was called id that they like people who carry debt - dunno if this next part was explicitly stated, but basically they want you to pay interest and they're making no qualms about hiding it. Well I don't like paying interest but there are 2 or 3 Citi cards I have had my eye on. I was recently approved for the Citi AA Platinum. I had a balance on my Vantage West card (0% APR until June), my CSP (just hit minimum spend, paying off before statement drops), and my Penfed Pathfinder (working on minimum spend, paying off before due date). This way it looks like I'm carrying balances on 3 cards when in reality I'm only carrying a balance on 1 card but that card is 0% so I'm not paying interest. So my next 2 cards will also be Citi, I'm basically gonna do the same thing lol. I might dangle a carrot and pay a bit of interest on the AA card just so they don't start getting suspicious.
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Anonymous
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Re: Fun credit card strategy...

I didn't make my initial explanation clear enough.  I take my bill on the 0% card, but instead of paying the bill to the card issuer, which they will not need until the promotional period ends, I send the money to my brokerage account.  Then when the promotional period expires, I cash out the brokerage account and send in the due payment.  This last time I had a remaining balance in the brokerage account of about $450 after pulling out the credit card payment.  That left me with on the Freedom Unlimited with 48,000 ultimate rewards with Chase [counting the sign-up bonus] and $450 in brokerage

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Anonymous
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Re: Fun credit card strategy...

Also, I thought running up a huge bill on my credit line would hurt my fico score, but it didn't really.  And now because I made a fairly large credit card payment, Chase must think I have more money outside.  They invited me to try Chase Private Client, which requires $250,000 liquid assets that I don't have.  But hopefully their notion leads to enhanced future offers like the one I got for the Freedom Unlimited ($300 sign-up bonus instead of $150). 

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LionLaw
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Re: Fun credit card strategy...


@Anonymouswrote:

I didn't make my initial explanation clear enough.  I take my bill on the 0% card, but instead of paying the bill to the card issuer, which they will not need until the promotional period ends, I send the money to my brokerage account.  Then when the promotional period expires, I cash out the brokerage account and send in the due payment.  This last time I had a remaining balance in the brokerage account of about $450 after pulling out the credit card payment.  That left me with on the Freedom Unlimited with 48,000 ultimate rewards with Chase [counting the sign-up bonus] and $450 in brokerage


You should be careful about a few things here.

 

--First, and most importantly, this may be a violation of your cardmember agreement.  When a lender deposits funds into your checking account and puts the balance on your credit card for a 0% balance transfer offer, one of the conditions is usually that you actually use the funds to pay off the balance of other cards.  It would be worth double checking.

 

--Even if putting those funds into your brokerage accounts is permitted by your cardmember agreement (and your broker, for that matter), that 0% loan isn't really free.  There is usually a 3% (or even 5%) balance transfer fee.  You'll also have brokerage fees to deal with.  Between the two, you may have a tough time breaking even before the interest-free period ends.  And if the market happens to be having a down week when your payment comes due, you could very easily end up losing money, without the ability to ride out the downturn.

 

--It's also worth keeping in mind that you will have to make nominal payments to your credit card every month during the 0% period.  The payments are usually relatively small, but it's still something you need to account for.

 

The combination of all those factors make me think this isn't a great plan.  Maybe better than taking the money to Vegas or the track, but not by much.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fun credit card strategy...

This is a way late reply, but I'm not utilizing balance transfers, just intro bonus periods.  The 3-5% fee would discourage me from trying this. 

Second, the brokerage fee is $4.95 per buy [free for me].  Not a huge deal. 

Third, comparing a municipal bond etf to Vegas or the track is scare-mongering.  Obviously do your homework on the fund, but you can't make that kind of comparison and act like they are in the same ball-park. 

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