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Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

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girbabe
Established Member

Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

I was just approved for the Blue Cash Everday with a $5,500 limit which is great but I about had a heart attack when I saw the 18.99 APR.  Their letter states - and I quote - "We used your FICO score in setting the Annual Percentage Rate (APR) for Purchases for this American Express Card account."  The Experian score they pulled on 8/9/2014 was 800.  I can't imagine what APR they would have assigned if my score had been a mere 760.  Furthermore, this came after BECU just lowered my Visa APR from 10.9% to 8.9% after reviewing my account.  At the time AmEx pulled my report,the only balances reporting was $100 on my Visa and $459 on my Discover card. Everything else is zero.  Does anyone here have some insight on this?


Fico Score: EQ=806/TU=798/EX=794 Back in the garden 11/1/2015

My cards: Amex BCE $25k / Discover IT $16 / Cap One QS World MC $11.5k / Barclaycard Ring MC $7k / BofA Rewards $5k / BECU Visa $5.5k & $500 LoC/ Chase Freedom QS $6k / Citi TYP $3.3k / Chase Amazon Rewards $1,800 / Best Buy $1,680 / Amazon Store Card $3.6k / Shell (Citibank)$600 / Paypal Credit $7.5k (doesn't report)
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jamesdwi
Valued Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

that is the second lowest tier for starting APR, over time you can request that it is lowered, since the BCE is a rewards card with a zero AF, you aren't going to get a super low APR automaticly. 

 

 

 

Cards: Chase Southwest 20k & CSR 17k & CSP 10k & FNBO 30k Oregon Duck 5k, & AMEX BCP 32.5k & Amex Magnet 15k&amg; Hilton Surpass 7.5k & Delta Gold 12k & Zync NPSL, Fidelity AMEX 17k Commerce5.9k & Cash Forward 7.5k & Sams Club MC 20k, Paypal Extras MC 10k, Paypal Credit 7.25k CapOne Venture 15k, QS 2.5k, QS 750, Amazon 10k, Walmart 10k, Citi Simplicity 18k, Discover IT 23k and a nice stack of store cards.
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trumpet-205
Valued Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

You should compare APR to your non-CU card. CU typically has lower APR because their goal isn't profit in the first place. For them APR is used to mitigate risk/loss, not generating profits.

 

Also, FICO score is not everything. For AMEX they use FICO score as a variable plus other things on your credit report to calculate AMEX internal score which is not disclose to you. 

 

Bottom line this, credit score is merely a number. Having a high score does not mean you'll get favorable rate. My FICO score back when got my AMEX BCP is around 700 and they assigned me a 17.24% APR. Since then they reduced it to 14.24% at first and currently 11.24%.

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plastic_man
Regular Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

I got mine with a 21.99%. Score was in the lows 700 , I managed to get it lowered to 18.99 in about 1 year of use and hopefully get lowered to around 15% or less by next year.
Having said that, I always pay in full , but you never know when you re going to need it.
MyFICO Scores : EQ = 791 , TU = 794, EX = 774 as of 06/16
Current CARDS : Boa working assets $33k| | QuickSilver $6650 | BillMeLater $5000 | FNBO AMEX $20K | ChoiceHotel BarclayCard $7500K |barclay ring card $15k| Macys AMEX $20k| AMEX Gold Premier | AMEX Blue Cash $13.2k | | Chase Marriott $20k | CSP $14,200| CAP1 Spark Miles $28k | AMEX Business Gold Premier| citi Hilton hhonors $12k| citi AAdvantage $10,500 | Chase Ink Plus $27k | BoA Alaska signature personal $17k | BoA Alaska business $27k | AMEX SPG $11,800 | JPM Ritz Carlton $29.9k
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girbabe
Established Member

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

I totally understand the rewards/credit union low interest trade off but 19% felt like a slap in the face.  My other rewards cards ranged between 13%-15% when they were issued and I've never ever, ever in my life had a credit card with a 19% APR.  EVER.  Not even in my younger day when I missed payments and didn't care.   I got the BCE for the grocery rewards and won't be carrying a balance anyway but I at least wanted to know if this was normal policy for AmEx or if it was something on my end that I needed to investigate.  I do appreciate all your help with the explanations.

 

2nd question.  After reading about the 3xCLI after 3 months, etc., does AmEx typically approve an increase even if the income hasn't changed?  Mine is fixed (retired) and I'm not going to bother applying if higher income is required for each CLI request.

 

Thanks for all your help.  This is a great forum!  Long time lurker...


Fico Score: EQ=806/TU=798/EX=794 Back in the garden 11/1/2015

My cards: Amex BCE $25k / Discover IT $16 / Cap One QS World MC $11.5k / Barclaycard Ring MC $7k / BofA Rewards $5k / BECU Visa $5.5k & $500 LoC/ Chase Freedom QS $6k / Citi TYP $3.3k / Chase Amazon Rewards $1,800 / Best Buy $1,680 / Amazon Store Card $3.6k / Shell (Citibank)$600 / Paypal Credit $7.5k (doesn't report)
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Closingracer99
Valued Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR


@girbabe wrote:

I totally understand the rewards/credit union low interest trade off but 19% felt like a slap in the face.  My other rewards cards ranged between 13%-15% when they were issued and I've never ever, ever in my life had a credit card with a 19% APR.  EVER.  Not even in my younger day when I missed payments and didn't care.   I got the BCE for the grocery rewards and won't be carrying a balance anyway but I at least wanted to know if this was normal policy for AmEx or if it was something on my end that I needed to investigate.  I do appreciate all your help with the explanations.

 

2nd question.  After reading about the 3xCLI after 3 months, etc., does AmEx typically approve an increase even if the income hasn't changed?  Mine is fixed (retired) and I'm not going to bother applying if higher income is required for each CLI request.

 

Thanks for all your help.  This is a great forum!  Long time lurker...


Mines was the same and i got my CLI from $1,000 to $3,000 on my BCE*

 

 

 

*Just because I didn doesn't mean you will ... It only takes a SP so no risk in trying 


My Cards: Amex BCE: $9,000, Amex Hilton HHonors: $2,000, Amex ED: $12,000, Barclays NFL extra points: $3,000, Bank of America MLB cash rewards: $17,000, BBVA compass NBA Amex triple double rewards: $17,000, Chase Amazon: $1,000, Chase Freedom: $9,000, Chase Sapphire: $5,000, Chase Slate: $5,000, Chase Disney: $4,000, Citi Double Cash: $5,400, Citi AA plat: $5,500, Citi Simplicity: $3,000, Citi Thank you preferred: $8,800, Capital one GM: $2,000, Capital one PlayStation: $3,000, Gamestop: $1,150, Amazon Store: $5,000, Ebay MasterCard: $5,000, American Eagle Storecard: $750, Macy's: $500
EX: 744, TU:750, EQ: 740
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girbabe
Established Member

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

I was thinking that going from 5,500 to 16,500 was a pretty big jump without the income to justify it - at least in their eyes.


Fico Score: EQ=806/TU=798/EX=794 Back in the garden 11/1/2015

My cards: Amex BCE $25k / Discover IT $16 / Cap One QS World MC $11.5k / Barclaycard Ring MC $7k / BofA Rewards $5k / BECU Visa $5.5k & $500 LoC/ Chase Freedom QS $6k / Citi TYP $3.3k / Chase Amazon Rewards $1,800 / Best Buy $1,680 / Amazon Store Card $3.6k / Shell (Citibank)$600 / Paypal Credit $7.5k (doesn't report)
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Closingracer99
Valued Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR


@girbabe wrote:

I was thinking that going from 5,500 to 16,500 was a pretty big jump without the income to justify it.


They can always counter a CLI request. So if you ask for 6,000 for Example they have 4options really and some might have some variances.  A) Decline, B) Pending, C) Counter offer, or D) Approved 


My Cards: Amex BCE: $9,000, Amex Hilton HHonors: $2,000, Amex ED: $12,000, Barclays NFL extra points: $3,000, Bank of America MLB cash rewards: $17,000, BBVA compass NBA Amex triple double rewards: $17,000, Chase Amazon: $1,000, Chase Freedom: $9,000, Chase Sapphire: $5,000, Chase Slate: $5,000, Chase Disney: $4,000, Citi Double Cash: $5,400, Citi AA plat: $5,500, Citi Simplicity: $3,000, Citi Thank you preferred: $8,800, Capital one GM: $2,000, Capital one PlayStation: $3,000, Gamestop: $1,150, Amazon Store: $5,000, Ebay MasterCard: $5,000, American Eagle Storecard: $750, Macy's: $500
EX: 744, TU:750, EQ: 740
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Transmogrifying_Bee
Frequent Contributor

Re: Help understanding AmEx BCE APR

I received my Amex BCE in April, 2013..  My Amex FICO score at that time was 802, and yet I received only the "middle APR tier" which was16.99% at that time!  I think the best rate was 12.99% and the highest rate was around 21 or 22%.   Go figure . . . ?

FICO Score 8: EQ 823 EX 817 TU 825 **** VantageScore 4.0: 825 **** VantageScore 3.0: EQ 823 EX 826 TU 825
TOTAL CL (6 cards): $141.0K **** INQUIRIES 2 yrs (1 yr): EQ 0(1) EX 0(0) TU 0(0) **** UTILIZ: 1 % **** GOAL: FICO Score 8: 840+
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Amex BCE 30K || NASA FCU Rewards Visa 30K || Chase Sapphire Visa Signature 21.5K || PayPal Extras MC 20K
CITI Diamond Preferred MC 25.0K || Discover it 14.5K **** CLOSED 7 cards **** GARDENING since 9-26-2014
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