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I currently have a FAKO Credit Karma score of 648 (expecting a slight increase in the next few days due to significantly lower CU since the last statement), and 14 reporting TL (primarily student loans). Of the 14 TL on my TU CR, one is a Cap One Classic Platinum MC (just got a CLI to $750) with a $0 balance and another is a CareCredit card with a $1200 CL and a $388 balance. I've just calculated my AAoA by hand and it looks like I'm at 3 years, 8 months right now. If I add a new card now (and my calculations are correct), my AAoA should drop to around 3 years, 4 months, which I don't think is all that big of a deal. In addition, I'm hoping to add a car loan to the mix sometime next year.
Perusing the boards, it looks as though most of the members here have several different cards (if not LOTS of different cards). As a newbie, my question is two-fold: how many cards should I have in order to have a more solid portfolio and which would be best for me to go for right now? I PIF every month and I'd ideally like a card with no AF, if at all possible.
Good questions. You're right about where I was a year or so ago. There's not a magic number that's best for everyone, it's mostly about what you are willing to manage. You don't need to run out and get twenty cards from every retailer you see but you could probably use more than just the one you have. I say one because the CareCredit is sort of a specialty thing. For me personally 3-5 cards is plenty. I have a USAA MC, a Discover, and just got approved for an AmEx Blue Preferred, and looking to get a Visa (B of A, PenFed or Chase Freedom, haven't decided yet) next year, plus the wife has a Target card. That's all I need.
Keep the Cap One for now. They don't have any really wonderful cards that your score will qualify you for now, but wait a year and you can maybe upgrade it to a rewards card. I bet you'll break 700 in a year if you don't have any baddies.
You'll want to come up with a long term plan for which "prime" rewards cards will suit your lifestyle and spending habits - cashback or points, gas or groceries, etc. Then figure out what it will take to qualify for them and wait it out. In the meantime you can maybe get a card that you can upgrade - "product change" later like a B of A basic visa that will help you build credit now but can then be upgraded to the cash rewards visa signature when you get there. You'll probably need to be north of 700 for AmEx so that'll have to wait for now. Do your homework on which cards suit you and you are interested and let us know, well help you come up with a plan to get them!
I think the trick at this stage is to get a one or two cards that will grow. A Citi, Chase or other big bank would be good to build a relationship with. If you spend 200 bucks a month at Target, Walmart or Sams I'd get one of those. The Target card has the advantage of 5% off every purchase.
I was recently surprised Amex gave me a charge card so they may be a bit looser with approvals. Get a Green or a Zync from them. Despite the horror stories easily found on the internet they are a great company to have a long relationship with.
So I'd say:
Amex Zync or Green charge card
Citi Forward or Chase Slate/Feedom
and maybe a Target if it fits in that order.
A lot of people have a ton of cards and it can be good for some things but I believe having a bunch of cards with low limits is sort of worthless.
Also, if the end goal is eventually home ownership I truly believe that having real banks, with real limits showing on your reports helps in the manual review process.
I bought a BMW last year and the loan officer said, "whats the deal with this card, thats for people with bad credit...well Citi trusts you so I guess BMW Financial can too." I kid you not, I got 1.9% for 5 years and I can guarantee you it wasn't because of my low 600 pock marked experian report.
@Anonymous wrote:I think the trick at this stage is to get a one or two cards that will grow. A Citi, Chase or other big bank would be good to build a relationship with. If you spend 200 bucks a month at Target, Walmart or Sams I'd get one of those. The Target card has the advantage of 5% off every purchase.
I was recently surprised Amex gave me a charge card so they may be a bit looser with approvals. Get a Green or a Zync from them. Despite the horror stories easily found on the internet they are a great company to have a long relationship with.
So I'd say:
Amex Zync or Green charge card
Citi Forward or Chase Slate/Feedom
and maybe a Target if it fits in that order.
A lot of people have a ton of cards and it can be good for some things but I believe having a bunch of cards with low limits is sort of worthless.
Also, if the end goal is eventually home ownership I truly believe that having real banks, with real limits showing on your reports helps in the manual review process.
I bought a BMW last year and the loan officer said, "whats the deal with this card, thats for people with bad credit...well Citi trusts you so I guess BMW Financial can too." I kid you not, I got 1.9% for 5 years and I can guarantee you it wasn't because of my low 600 pock marked experian report.
Agreed on the card suggestions! I also would not recommend applying for cards near the time you want to apply for your car loan (after is OK, just not before).
@Anonymous wrote:Also, if the end goal is eventually home ownership I truly believe that having real banks, with real limits showing on your reports helps in the manual review process.
When we got our home mortgage, my only bank card was HSBC Orchard with a $500 CL. Not a problem on a manual review - just had to have at least one bank card in the mix - Orchard fit the bill - it was less than a year old and the CL was a non-issue - at least for our very experienced mortgage guy. Of course, as always, YMMV. Just don't want any casual reader to get their panties in a knot on this one - we were more prepared for our mortgage than we ever would have anticipated.
IMO, 3 major credit cards would be plenty. And maybe a store account (if you shop there regularly). Cobranded cards are even better, if they fit your spending.
Thanks so much, everyone! This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for. 3-5 cards is what I was thinking, too, so it's great to hear that one of the more seasoned credit veterans agrees.
@Anonymous wrote:
I also would not recommend applying for cards near the time you want to apply for your car loan (after is OK, just not before)
I'm hoping to save up a 20% down payment before I apply for a car loan. Unfortunately, some unexpected expenses have set me back quite a bit on the progress I'd made, so I likely wouldn't be shopping for loans until sometime late next year. My Cap One card is the only hard inquiry on my report and it was from this past February. If what I've heard is true, it won't affect my FICO score any longer after February 2012 (is that correct?), so I think I'm in a decent position to add one new card now and then hold off on any others until after I get a loan secured.
My Cap One card is the only hard inquiry on my report and it was from this past February. If what I've heard is true, it won't affect my FICO score any longer after February 2012 (is that correct?), so I think I'm in a decent position to add one new card now and then hold off on any others until after I get a loan secured.
Yes, it will appear in your report for two years but only affect the score for one year.
Right, that's what I'd heard. Thanks so much for confirming!
@Mandazoid wrote:...and which ones?
I currently have a FAKO Credit Karma score of 648 (expecting a slight increase in the next few days due to significantly lower CU since the last statement), and 14 reporting TL (primarily student loans). Of the 14 TL on my TU CR, one is a Cap One Classic Platinum MC (just got a CLI to $750) with a $0 balance and another is a CareCredit card with a $1200 CL and a $388 balance. I've just calculated my AAoA by hand and it looks like I'm at 3 years, 8 months right now. If I add a new card now (and my calculations are correct), my AAoA should drop to around 3 years, 4 months, which I don't think is all that big of a deal. In addition, I'm hoping to add a car loan to the mix sometime next year.
Perusing the boards, it looks as though most of the members here have several different cards (if not LOTS of different cards). As a newbie, my question is two-fold: how many cards should I have in order to have a more solid portfolio and which would be best for me to go for right now? I PIF every month and I'd ideally like a card with no AF, if at all possible.
If it were me, I would actually pull both TU and EQ FICO scores and at least know what is on your EX report before apping for the card of your choice. This will allow you to ensure that your AAOA, trade lines, uti, etc. is the same across the board.