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I have seen quite a bit of talk about open credit, the more credit avai the better, and discussions about utilization. None of which answers my question - How much revolving credit is ideal?
I am currently trying to advise my daughter as she has gotten herself into a bit of mess with student loans and credit cards. She has all of the big boys with substantial credit lines and is having to defer the student loans so she can make min. payments on her cc. Her and her fiance are wanting to buy a house next year - wich may be hard with the amount of debt she is carrying. After looking at her over all picture and her spending habits, my advise to her would be close out the high interest cards and only keep the amount of credit she can pay off in a year at best. Of course, best case scenario would be not to carry balances at all - but we are talking kids here (early 20's) so I know that is a hard one.
What is the recommended (rule of thumb) amount of available credit to have to maintain a household budget?
@Katrina wrote:I have seen quite a bit of talk about open credit, the more credit avai the better, and discussions about utilization. None of which answers my question - How much revolving credit is ideal?
That's because there is no clear cut answer that universally applies to everyone. That's for each to determine.
For any given credit profile different creditors will be willing to extend different amounts so you can't even use what creditors will extend as a basis. You would have a very difficult time finding that info anyway as it is not freely disclosed.
If house shopping the mortgage lender will indicate if available credit is a concern. If not, I don't recommend fretting over it. Even if it is brougt up one can close out accounts (do not close any with a balance!) if desired or go find another mortgage lender that may not be concerned, etc.
@Katrina wrote:Her and her fiance are wanting to buy a house next year - wich may be hard with the amount of debt she is carrying.
Amount of debt is a potential concern but don't conflate available credit and debt. They're two entirely different things. If a person has a tendency to run up credit card debt and finds that lower limits help to manage that spending then it may make sense for that person to have lower limits. However, revolving utilization is a common topic because it is a signfiicant scoring and risk factor so definitely keep that in mind. General advice is do not exceed 30% but optimal is much lower. One can always pay prior to report date on revolving accounts to reduce the reported balances and revolving utilization. Your daughter could use this approach in the monthe leading up to her home purchase to eke out additional points if that would help.
@Katrina wrote:What is the recommended (rule of thumb) amount of available credit to have to maintain a household budget?
Again, no universal answer. Additionally, budget and avaialble credit are two entirely different things. One needs to have a budget and stick to it regardless of amount of available credit. If your daughter's budget is based on available credit then she needs to work on her budget and separating it out from avaialble credit. Credit can certainly be used for purchases but it should have nothing to do with budget.
@Katrina wrote:After looking at her over all picture and her spending habits, my advise to her would be close out the high interest cards and only keep the amount of credit she can pay off in a year at best. Of course, best case scenario would be not to carry balances at all - but we are talking kids here (early 20's) so I know that is a hard one.
If she has high revolving utilization she will need to get it down. What she can pay off in a year won't really help score-wise though it might help her from drowining in even deeper water. Revolving utilization is easy to calculate. It's simply balance(s)/limit(s). A $100 balance on a $1,000 limit is 10%, for example. Both overall revolving utilization and individual for each account matter.
Both you and your daughter will want to read up. If she has derogs then she will want to look into whether or not she can address them before house shopping. Again, she will want to get her revoling utilization down. Her credit and her fiance's credit not only determine the approval but the terms (e.g. rates) that they will qualify for. On a big ticket item like a home even a small % matters.
Thank you for your answer!
I am very verse in building and rebuilding credit and there is a lot of great info in these forums. I guess what I am looking for would be better put as what ratio of credit vs abilty to repay the debt is ideal. Say if a person makes 35K/yr. And they have 10k/yr in disposable income. Having 10k revolving credit would not be out of line because they could theoretically pay it off in a year if they buckeled down. But if that person made 35k/yr had 18k student loan debt that is deferred and had 60k in avail revolving credit they were using with no disposable income - not good. Personally I do not carry much of a balance and if I do it is for cash flow only and can be paid off at will. Maxing out cards is a no-no. She is at 50% utilization but has been keeping at 50% for over 3 years and just keeps getting more credit (which increases her debt load.)
When I originally tried to help her she was 7k in debt. Gave her a plan etc... Now she came back and is 16k with more cc and wanting to improve her score. Yes we have gone over budget etc.. but I do not think that someone her age with her spending habits needs that much credit until she can handle it properly.
I am not finding anything out there as far as recommended repsonsible revolving credit usage. Anyone know of any resouces out there to help her.
@Katrina wrote:I have seen quite a bit of talk about open credit, the more credit avai the better, and discussions about utilization. None of which answers my question - How much revolving credit is ideal?
I am currently trying to advise my daughter as she has gotten herself into a bit of mess with student loans and credit cards. She has all of the big boys with substantial credit lines and is having to defer the student loans so she can make min. payments on her cc. Her and her fiance are wanting to buy a house next year - wich may be hard with the amount of debt she is carrying. After looking at her over all picture and her spending habits, my advise to her would be close out the high interest cards and only keep the amount of credit she can pay off in a year at best. Of course, best case scenario would be not to carry balances at all - but we are talking kids here (early 20's) so I know that is a hard one.
What is the recommended (rule of thumb) amount of available credit to have to maintain a household budget?
The ultimate answer is <100%, which it seems like your daughter is having some issue with. Elizabeth Warren breaks it down into needs, wants, and savings/debt repayments. No more than 50% of your budget should go into needs, which includes minimum debt repayments, housing, insurance, food, and utilities. Wants are things like phones, cable, clothes, dining out, etc. Savings and debt are pretty self explanatory. All of this should be out of your after tax income.
At the end of the day, however, you use 100% of your income. Take out taxes, minimum debt repayments, food, everything absolutely necessary. Figure out what you want to do with the rest.
I'm also scared to ask if you know your daughter's credit score. If she's missing payments on student loans, that's going to scupper her chance on a mortgage right there. She's be better off missing the credit card payments and declaring bankruptcy, as CC bills can actually be discharged. The other issue, of course, is that if she can't pay her bills now, why does she think she's going to be able to pay a mortgage.
You also shouldn't let her off the hook for being a kid. Learning money management is important. Unfortunately, I think that this is going to be a hard landing lesson for her.
I don't think you're asking the right question. It has nothing to do with how much revolving credit they have available and 100% with how much revolving credit they use.
Close out the high interest cards or keep them open, it doesn't matter (unless they have an AF). What matters is how much someone actually charges & how much they can pay. Now, if someone has no self control and spends up to the limit of whatever cards they have (for example my GF), then the solution might be to close out cards and/or reduce limits. But that's not really a credit question, that's more about budgeting & self control.
If having credit available is encouraging her to spend more than she earns then that's the problem, not the amount of credit she has. Sounds like rather than closing cards, she should come up with a plan to stop using them--cut them up, freeze them in a block of ice, whatever it takes. Closing cards would just hurt her score by increasing her utilization, unless she pays off enough of her balance to compensate.
I think it would be best to list her 3 fico scores, AAOA, inqs, util, everything in detail to get a better picture.
What about delaying the house buying at least a year, get all of her debt at zero interest, and work a little extra? I would be concerned that she wants to buy a house while in debt that is not under control. More financial responsibilities, potential expenses, etc. I would want to have fair/good credit, as few obligations as possible, and the preparedness for a happy/healthy home. Going into home buying like this is just going to stress the household IMHO. (unless of course buying this house gets her a better job, keeps her job, etc)
Why can't she set up IBR (income based repayment), find out the amount to pay each month to level off interest so it doesnt get huge, and figure out what is really going wrong here?
Your daughter needs to square away her CC bills before the mortgage. She will end up paying more in the long run for the higher interest rate she will get on her mortgage, compared to just waiting and paying the CCs first. If she can't handle the minimum payments, she certainly can't handle the mortgage. The mortgage payment comes with many additional costs which I'm sure you know. (I've watched many people slide down that slope)
In my case, when I went for my mortgage, the underwriter made me close all but one of my cards.
The limit on her cards is irrelevant. It's her own mental limits that she need be concerned with. Good luck!
Yes I do know her credit score at this time it is 623. No lates no collections and we addressed the student loans as a priority. If she pays everything off her credit score would well exceed 750. Issue is her income to debt ratio. She has given me all her cards execept the lowest interest rate one to put in the safe to help her be able to control her spending. Right now she has close to 50k in avail revolving credit across 16 cards (of which approx 50% is being used). Which I think is way to much for her to handle with her spending habbits. (3 years ago her debt was aprox 7-8k now it is over 18k and no income change). Interest rates range from 9.9 to 29.99%. My feeling is that she should close out (or at least cut up some of her cards higher interest rate no benefit cards and make sure her avail credit is something she could handle paying off in a reasonable period of time.
I agree with everyone here - thank you for your feedback. The 50% answer gives me something to work with. That will help me get her some type of number for how much debt she "can" carry without financial stress to her budget (once she gets on track).
She def needs to get her cc debt to 0, then at least get a payment plan on the student loans, before the mortgage. This would be priority for them in order to see what mortgage they are comfortable with. I know from experience many qualify for more mortgage than they can handle and have taught her that she needs to determine that amount not the bank. Yes her issue is that she is not controling her spending and not living within her means due to the avail credit. She thought she was paying down her cards the last 24 mo. but when I showed her that what the interest charges were + her new charges - her payment her debt was being stagnant. Add in new purchases here and there and she is going backwards.
Yes she is learning and somethings no matter what we tell them does not correspond mentally until there is a life circumstance that ties it all in. So yes she has been taught these things but life is giving her a grand opportunity to learn them know. I just want to be able to direct her and give her some more skills so she only has to learn it this time and can move forward without dire consequenses for the next 10 years or worse struggling with this issue the rest of her life.