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MacCreed
Valued Member

Re: Question about AMEX?

Lol apparently nobody has or knows the magic bullet but Amex historically wasn't a difficult target.  These days though, proceed with caution.  

Message 11 of 24
Anonymous
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Re: Question about AMEX?


@Brian_Earl_Spilner wrote:

Amex is thin file friendly so we need more info. Scores, utilization, derogatories, how many new cards and inquiries, etc.


@Brian_Earl_Spilner 

AOOA-10 yrs, 10 months

AAOA-3 yrs,3 months

Inquiries-9 Ex  6-TU & EQ

7 credit cards- Oldest will hit 2 yr mark in December of this year

1 CO (zero balance) set to fall off 8/2022

9 reporting separately 90 day lates (16 months ago these lates happened,student loans😬😬🙄) 

Currently practicing AZEO.

Navy CashRewards-100/2900 opened 9/19

discover-0/200 opened 10/19

keybank-0/400 opened 9/19

cap one QS- 0/300 My oldest card opened 12/2018

kohls- 0/300 opened 3/20

wayfair-0/500 (just got an increase to 1300)Opened 3/20

fingerhut-0/400 graduated from fresh start opened 2/20

I have 1 old car loan from 2013 & reporting 100% on time

I also have a creditstrong loan for 24 months opened in 9/19, no lates. 

 
Currrent Fico 8 scores:

EQ-661

TU-679

EX-644 not sure why my EX is so much lower

I think i might have to continue gardening for a little while longer, at least til some of those credit cards hit the 2 year mark. Thoughts? 
Im also in the process of securing a home loan, set to close July 2. Should i try for Amex before the loan hits my report? Thank you all! 

 




 

Message 12 of 24
M_Smart007
Legendary Contributor

Re: Question about AMEX?

@Anonymous, Honestly I would figure out why EX is lower?, and work on getting that up,

or You may end up with $1000 starter toy limit. JMHO

 

ETA: Or worse a "denial"

Message 13 of 24
Anonymous
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Re: Question about AMEX?

 


@M_Smart007 i went down 8 points on EX when Navy gave me an increase, then another 8 points when my accounts updated to AZEO. 

Message 14 of 24
M_Smart007
Legendary Contributor

Re: Question about AMEX?


@Anonymous wrote:

 


@M_Smart007 i went down 8 points on EX when Navy gave me an increase, then another 8 points when my accounts updated to AZEO. 


Something does'nt make sense about that? .. Increase on Navy should have no effect, other than a possible Utilization positive.

 

AZEO if done properly should boost your score, I'd pull your EX report and compare it to your other reports,

something just does'nt jive?

https://www.annualcreditreport.com/index.action

 

Message 15 of 24
Aim_High
Super Contributor

Re: Question about AMEX?


@Anonymous wrote:


Inquiries-9 Ex  6-TU & EQ


Currrent Fico 8 scores:

EQ-661

TU-679

EX-644 not sure why my EX is so much lower

 

@M_Smart007 wrote:

@Anonymous, Honestly I would figure out why EX is lower?, and work on getting that up,


There is probably your answer.

 

You have three additional inquiries on EX than on EQ/TU.  My EX score has been lagging for awhile because Chase hit it repeatedly over the past two years as I added new Chase cards while I had as little as zero inquiries on the other two bureaus.

 

Also, each of the credit bureaus may have slightly different data in their files.  For example, some accounts (that either help or hurt) may not show up in one version of your credit report.  The exact dates the scores were run, the balances reported etc can lead to variations also.  You could have paid off a large balance to a card that hasn't updated on one bureau's scoring for example.

 

And while there are FICO score models with the same name provided by different credit bureaus, I'm not sure if each CRB uses the exact same formula in how scores are calculated.  There may be some minor difference.  I've often noticed that my EX score is lower than my EQ and TU.  It does make me think their scoring is just more conservative.

 

In summary, I wouldn't call a 35-point split from 679 to 644 to be at all unusual or anything to be concerned about, especially with a significant variation in inquiries.  If you were able to go back in time and pull all three credit files as of the dates those scores had been run and go over them with a fine-tooth comb, you might find even reasons for the differences.  But it's just not significant IMO.   That said, pulling your actual reports annually and seeing what might be contributing to variations over the long-term (errors, missing accounts, etc.) is not a bad idea.  Month-to-month, meh, not so much. 


Business Cards


Length of Credit > 40 years; Total Credit Limits >$936K
Top Lender TCL - Chase 156.4 - BofA 99.9 - CITI 96.5 - AMEX 95.0 - NFCU 80.0 - SYCH - 65.0
AoOA > 31 years (Jun 1993); AoYA (Oct 2024)
* Hover cursor over cards to see name & CL, or press & hold on mobile app.
Message 16 of 24
Anonymous
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Re: Question about AMEX?

@M_Smart007 My thoughts exactly, per myfico app, it shows an account was "updated" the navy account went from $200 to $2900. (8 point loss) Also the navy balance went from $0 to $100 (lost 8 points there) all accounts are at zero except the navy

Message 17 of 24
Anonymous
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Re: Question about AMEX?

@Aim_High i didnt think those 3 extra inquiries would have that much weight. Im not too concerned, just curious🧐🧐 


 

Message 18 of 24
Aim_High
Super Contributor

Re: Question about AMEX?


@Anonymous wrote:

@Aim_High i didnt think those 3 extra inquiries would have that much weight. Im not too concerned, just curious🧐🧐 



Gotcha.  Always good to try to understand the factors.

 

I currently have two less inquiries on my EQ versus EX (4 versus 6) and the difference in those scores is already 16 points, even before you add in another inquiry.  And that is without the other variables that might exist between our files, such as my much thicker file with no charge-offs or lates.  I'm pretty sure the inquiries is the main source of your variation.   

 

In general, from what I've seen, the stronger your file and the higher your score, the less each inquiry will affect your scores. 


Business Cards


Length of Credit > 40 years; Total Credit Limits >$936K
Top Lender TCL - Chase 156.4 - BofA 99.9 - CITI 96.5 - AMEX 95.0 - NFCU 80.0 - SYCH - 65.0
AoOA > 31 years (Jun 1993); AoYA (Oct 2024)
* Hover cursor over cards to see name & CL, or press & hold on mobile app.
Message 19 of 24
Anonymous
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Re: Question about AMEX?

@Aim_High thanks for your knowledge! Ive been credit rebuilding since last February, i cant wait to see 700's across the board. One day at a time! 👍👍

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