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So, do I go for points or cash back?

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So, do I go for points or cash back?

My wife and I have spent years recovering from a Ch 13 and are ready to start adding some better credit cards to our names. We started with a secured card each (Discover and Capital One) and once those were converted to unsecured we each added the one we didn't have (Quicksilver for me and Discover It for her). Now we are trying to decide which route to go with our next cards.

 

Now here is the info to help with the decision. We like to travel, we just don't do it too frequently. We only fly once or twice per year, and almost always domestic flights on Southwest. However, we do travel within our state and region 4 - 6 times a year for long weekends or brief vacations. These stays are probably split 50/50 between hotels and VRBO rentals. Is this enough to justify the Chase duo of a Sapphire and Freedom cards?

 

Or are we better off just sticking to cash back via Amex, PenFed, Citi, etc? We spend approximately $400 per month on gas, $400 at grocery stores, another $200 - 300 at Costco, and $300 - $500 on dining out. Also is Citi as bad as many of the reviews I have seen? Lots of horror stories out there about the Costco card and Citi's poor customer service in general.

 

To me it appears that the Sapphire cards represent the best value with the bonus, but will it be worthwhile for us after the bonus is gone with our limited travel?

 

Our FICO8 scores are EQ 793 / 779  TU 768 / 699  EX 733 / 732

 

Any other viewpoints would be appreciated since I keep changing my mind.

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Shadowfactor
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?

I would review each companies options including travel transfer partners.

Make a list of each travel partner you would use and then see which program would best fit your actual travel plans.

Then based on what that list shows you.
examine which cards would give you the most points for your spend. Do those two match up ? If not re-examine what is more important to you. Staying at a certain brand or traveling a certain airline versus the amount of points you would earn. Once you determine those things.
Make your selection.

For chase, they like to see a year of history and comparable limits on your cards.
CSP is a 5K SL minimum and CSR is 10K minimum.
Most chase cards are subject to 5/24 now so be mindful of that for future apps.




Total Revolving Limits $254,800

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Anonymous
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?


@Shadowfactor wrote:
I would review each companies options including travel transfer partners.

Make a list of each travel partner you would use and then see which program would best fit your actual travel plans.

Then based on what that list shows you.
examine which cards would give you the most points for your spend. Do those two match up ? If not re-examine what is more important to you. Staying at a certain brand or traveling a certain airline versus the amount of points you would earn. Once you determine those things.
Make your selection.

For chase, they like to see a year of history and comparable limits on your cards.
CSP is a 5K SL minimum and CSR is 10K minimum.
Most chase cards are subject to 5/24 now so be mindful of that for future apps.

Thanks. Looks like it is time to bust out Excel.

 

Our secured cards (that graduated) are about 18 months old and the newer cards are 10 months old. My Quicksilver has a $5.5k limit so maybe that will be enough. I know I am sitting at 4/24 due to being an AU of my wife's two cards. So if I decide on Chase, it will definitely be the first app.

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wasCB14
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?

And consider not just the transfer partners, but the point values.

 

For example, I stay at a lot of Holiday Inns (an IHG brand) and IHG is a Chase UR transfer partner. However, IHG point values are typically pretty low, so I only transfer Chase URs to Hyatt and airlines.

 

And yes, Citi customer service is pretty lousy. General CSRs are clueless, and specialists are generally smart but there can be a long wait to talk to one...and that's what I get with their $450 card! But, for context, I'm comparing that to Chase Executive and Amex Platinum customer service.

Personal spend: Amex Gold, Amex Schwab Plat., BofA PR+CCR(x2), Costco
Business use: Amex Bus. Plat., BBP, Lowes Amex AU, CFU AU
Perks: Delta Plat., United Explorer, IHG49, Hyatt, "Old SPG"
Mostly SD: Freedom Flex, Freedom, Arrival
Upgrade/Downgrade games: ED, BCE
SUB chasing: AA Platinum Select
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SouthJamaica
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?


@Anonymous wrote:

My wife and I have spent years recovering from a Ch 13 and are ready to start adding some better credit cards to our names. We started with a secured card each (Discover and Capital One) and once those were converted to unsecured we each added the one we didn't have (Quicksilver for me and Discover It for her). Now we are trying to decide which route to go with our next cards.

 

Now here is the info to help with the decision. We like to travel, we just don't do it too frequently. We only fly once or twice per year, and almost always domestic flights on Southwest. However, we do travel within our state and region 4 - 6 times a year for long weekends or brief vacations. These stays are probably split 50/50 between hotels and VRBO rentals. Is this enough to justify the Chase duo of a Sapphire and Freedom cards?

 

Or are we better off just sticking to cash back via Amex, PenFed, Citi, etc? We spend approximately $400 per month on gas, $400 at grocery stores, another $200 - 300 at Costco, and $300 - $500 on dining out. Also is Citi as bad as many of the reviews I have seen? Lots of horror stories out there about the Costco card and Citi's poor customer service in general.

 

To me it appears that the Sapphire cards represent the best value with the bonus, but will it be worthwhile for us after the bonus is gone with our limited travel?

 

Our FICO8 scores are EQ 793 / 779  TU 768 / 699  EX 733 / 732

 

Any other viewpoints would be appreciated since I keep changing my mind.


In my opinion, if you go with travel cards, you're going to wind up like me, with a lot of points and rewards that go unused or are basically worthless to me.  It takes a lot of planning to maximize that stuff unless you are a big high rolling airline-type traveler, which you are not. Upgrades to first class are meaningless to me because I wouldn't be caught dead in first class. When I book a flight it's coach, and when I check what I'm saving with airline miles I usually find it ain't much... e.g. half a cent, versus the one, two, or three cents cash I would have received with a cash card. Same with the hotel cards I would find the most use for.

 

I think you should go for the cash.

 

Also, at this stage in your recovery, I wouldn't gamble a hard pull on a Chase CSP or CSR. I have a couple of Chase cobranded cards which are good, the AARP Visa and the Amazon Prime Visa. Their customer service has been good. I have a Citi card, ,and haven't found any problem with their customer service. But truth be told I haven't needed much customer service from either of these big banks.

 

I'm basically going in a different direction myself, finding that the best cards, for my purposes, are with credit unions.

 

 


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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HeavenOhio
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?

Chase isn't bankruptcy-friendly. Is the bankruptcy currently on either or both of your reports? If it's gone, you should be fine with a Chase app, particularly if you apply for one of the Freedom products to get started. If it's still present, I woudn't proceed without expecting a denial and being pleasantly surprised if you're approved.

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Anonymous
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Re: So, do I go for points or cash back?


@HeavenOhio wrote:

Chase isn't bankruptcy-friendly. Is the bankruptcy currently on either or both of your reports? If it's gone, you should be fine with a Chase app, particularly if you apply for one of the Freedom products to get started. If it's still present, I woudn't proceed without expecting a denial and being pleasantly surprised if you're approved.


No, the bankruptcy has fallen off and both our credit reports are clean of any AA's of any kind. Just a matter of lower than nornal AAoA due to avoiding cards during the Ch 13.

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