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Swipe fees

I'm curious about learning about Swipe Fees. I have some basic questions that I actually feel like I know the answer to, but asking anyway for confirmation, and then some others I'm genuinley curious about.

 

1) Who gets the swipe fee....the bank, or the network? I.E. Chase Freedom..does Chase get a cut or does Visa?

2) If it's the network...how does the issuing bank make profits on CCs? Or are PIF customers non-profitable?

3) Are swipe fees 'per swipe' or are they a percentage of the transaction? Is a single $5 charge worth the same as a single $5000 charge to the group receiving the fees?

4) Do the different levels have different swipe fees? IE Visa vs. Visa Sig, WMC vs. WEMC, etc?

5) Are Amex/Discover higher in swipe fees which is why they aren't as accepted as Visa/MC?

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Anonymous
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Re: Swipe fees

 

 

1) Who gets the swipe fee....the bank, or the network? I.E. Chase Freedom..does Chase get a cut or does Visa?

The issuing bank, the processor, and acquiring bank all take their cut of the fee.

 

2) If it's the network...how does the issuing bank make profits on CCs? Or are PIF customers non-profitable?

Issuers make money through fees, interest, and a portion of the swip fee. Customers who PIF, transactors, aren't as profitble as revolvers, but the issueiing bank still makes money through their portion of the swip fees.

 

3) Are swipe fees 'per swipe' or are they a percentage of the transaction? Is a single $5 charge worth the same as a single $5000 charge to the group receiving the fees?

Fees are per swipe, some are a percentage of the transaction, while others are a flat fee. Larger merchants typically negotiate their fees, but smaller merchants usually have to pay what the processor charges.

 

4) Do the different levels have different swipe fees? IE Visa vs. Visa Sig, WMC vs. WEMC, etc?

Different cards incur different fees, WEMC/Visa Sigs/rewards cards incur larger fees than plain ol' cards, this helps pay for the benefits associated wit the cards. 

 

5) Are Amex/Discover higher in swipe fees which is why they aren't as accepted as Visa/MC?

Amex usually charges the highest fees; however, each card type charges their own fees. I read somewhere there are over 100 different fees based on the type of card.


 

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ojefferyo
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Re: Swipe fees


@Anonymous wrote:

I'm curious about learning about Swipe Fees. I have some basic questions that I actually feel like I know the answer to, but asking anyway for confirmation, and then some others I'm genuinley curious about.

 

1) Who gets the swipe fee....the bank, or the network? I.E. Chase Freedom..does Chase get a cut or does Visa?

2) If it's the network...how does the issuing bank make profits on CCs? Or are PIF customers non-profitable?

3) Are swipe fees 'per swipe' or are they a percentage of the transaction? Is a single $5 charge worth the same as a single $5000 charge to the group receiving the fees?

4) Do the different levels have different swipe fees? IE Visa vs. Visa Sig, WMC vs. WEMC, etc?

5) Are Amex/Discover higher in swipe fees which is why they aren't as accepted as Visa/MC?


I beleive the card issuer gets the swipe fees and the processor gets the percentage fee. The fee is per swipe and a percentage of the amount so a single $5 is not the same as $5000. Debit transaction charge 1 flat fee for whatever the amount is. And Amex/Disocver does charge different fees. Amex being the highest for us. We routinely pay Amex around $4500/month in their fees

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CH-7-Mission-Accomplished
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Re: Swipe fees


@ojefferyo wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I'm curious about learning about Swipe Fees. I have some basic questions that I actually feel like I know the answer to, but asking anyway for confirmation, and then some others I'm genuinley curious about.

 

1) Who gets the swipe fee....the bank, or the network? I.E. Chase Freedom..does Chase get a cut or does Visa?

2) If it's the network...how does the issuing bank make profits on CCs? Or are PIF customers non-profitable?

3) Are swipe fees 'per swipe' or are they a percentage of the transaction? Is a single $5 charge worth the same as a single $5000 charge to the group receiving the fees?

4) Do the different levels have different swipe fees? IE Visa vs. Visa Sig, WMC vs. WEMC, etc?

5) Are Amex/Discover higher in swipe fees which is why they aren't as accepted as Visa/MC?


I beleive the card issuer gets the swipe fees and the processor gets the percentage fee. The fee is per swipe and a percentage of the amount so a single $5 is not the same as $5000. Debit transaction charge 1 flat fee for whatever the amount is. And Amex/Disocver does charge different fees. Amex being the highest for us. We routinely pay Amex around $4500/month in their fees


I think it would be the oppositve.  The processor would get a flat fee for processing and the credit card company would get their percentage - 3% or whatever.  Since the credit card companies are now paying up to 2% cash back, they have to collect 3% to cover costs, pay cash back, and made a small profit on those who don't carry a balance.

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mitchblue
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Re: Swipe fees

How about using a card online? I know this is a dumb question but is there a swipe fee if I buy something on Amazon?

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CH-7-Mission-Accomplished
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Re: Swipe fees

It's the same.  You can bet that Amazon has negotiated the lowest imaginable CC fees/discounts though due to their size.  There is still a credit card processor to be paid and the bank needs to make a little bit off those who pay in full.

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mitchblue
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@CH-7-Mission-Accomplished wrote:

It's the same.  You can bet that Amazon has negotiated the lowest imaginable CC fees/discounts though due to their size.  There is still a credit card processor to be paid and the bank needs to make a little bit off those who pay in full.


Thanks.

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Anonymous
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Re: Swipe fees


@mitchblue wrote:

How about using a card online? I know this is a dumb question but is there a swipe fee if I buy something on Amazon?


Of course.   Think of the whole charge to the merchant as "cost of accepting credit cards", nothing to do with a physical swipe.     And card-not-present transactions will usually have a higher fee (before taking into account Amazon volume) because of the greater risk of fraud.

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mitchblue
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Re: Swipe fees


@Anonymous wrote:

@mitchblue wrote:

How about using a card online? I know this is a dumb question but is there a swipe fee if I buy something on Amazon?


Of course.   Think of the whole charge to the merchant as "cost of accepting credit cards", nothing to do with a physical swipe.     And card-not-present transactions will usually have a higher fee (before taking into account Amazon volume) because of the greater risk of fraud.


Like I said, dumb question. I was thinking physical swipe. Thanks.

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Anonymous
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Re: Swipe fees

There is a breakdown of charges, from a merchants point of view, all over the web, see, for example

 

http://www.cardfellow.com/credit-card-processing-fees/

 

 

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