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Because they're trying to gain new cardholders with enticing SUBs and the market dictates what it will take to stay competitive even if they have to take a loss because of smaller-than-you-think churner community. The average consumer more than likely doesn't see credit cards the way we do; sure they may be more informed today than years past but I still think we are the exception to the rule as a credit card community.
some do have extra cashback incentives for a few months, and many offer 0% APR for a while, but ultimately churners are going to churn
I remember Amex tried something like that (get $XX every month for 6 months with $XXX minimum spend) with the BCE I think it was last year. It didn't last long.
Bonuses are all about getting new sign ups who might have gone for a different card otherwise. Most people these days when they sign up for a new card they are picking from a long list of possibilities on creditkarma or wherever. You're not going to get those clicks with a crappy offer.





















wrote:I remember Amex tried something like that (get $XX every month for 6 months with $XXX minimum spend) with the BCE I think it was last year. It didn't last long.
Bonuses are all about getting new sign ups who might have gone for a different card otherwise. Most people these days when they sign up for a new card they are picking from a long list of possibilities on creditkarma or wherever. You're not going to get those clicks with a crappy offer.
Yep, in fact the last one I can think of recently was the Marriott 120k SUB offer and I don't know anyone aside from the actual "I have money to throw at this" churners that even got that card because when the math was done the deal is actually not that good at all. I imagine if any creditor tried this with their main card lineups that they would lost potential customers unless the offer was as close to equal as the 3 month SUB.
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With banks trying harder and harder to avoid churners, why do they still have signup bonuses that are so easy to churn. They are pretty much all "spend this much in 90 days to get this". That makes it very easy to use the card heavily when you first get it and then sock drawer or forget about it once the bonus is met. Wouldn't it make more sense to offer a bonus that's the same money, but spread over say 6 months or a year? At the end it's the same amount of money, but it might force people to keep the card in their wallet more. Just a thought.
I think a lot of the bonus structures are the same because the CC companies are competing with each other. Just like the toothpaste business or whatever. If someone offers whitening or breath freshening and it pumps up sales, then competitors will be doing the same thing in an instant.
I did have one card with the type of thinking that you suggested. It was a US Bank Business Cash card. The bonus was $500 for $4.5k spend in the first 3 months, then an additional $250 for $3k spend in the next 3 months. The total bonus was $750, I might be forgetting the exact spend limits because they were just normal spend for me so I didn't think about it. But, what it did was encouraged me to keep using the card after the initial bonus, and it was good for me because I didn't have to apply for another card.
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With banks trying harder and harder to avoid churners, why do they still have signup bonuses that are so easy to churn. They are pretty much all "spend this much in 90 days to get this". That makes it very easy to use the card heavily when you first get it and then sock drawer or forget about it once the bonus is met. Wouldn't it make more sense to offer a bonus that's the same money, but spread over say 6 months or a year? At the end it's the same amount of money, but it might force people to keep the card in their wallet more. Just a thought.I think a lot of the bonus structures are the same because the CC companies are competing with each other. Just like the toothpaste business or whatever. If someone offers whitening or breath freshening and it pumps up sales, then competitors will be doing the same thing in an instant.
I did have one card with the type of thinking that you suggested. It was a US Bank Business Cash card. The bonus was $500 for $4.5k spend in the first 3 months, then an additional $250 for $3k spend in the next 3 months. The total bonus was $750, I might be forgetting the exact spend limits because they were just normal spend for me so I didn't think about it. But, what it did was encouraged me to keep using the card after the initial bonus, and it was good for me because I didn't have to apply for another card.
PRG and some other cards have sometimes offered a bonus that had the second part take effect after some minimum spend in year 2.
SPG had at least one offer for spending IIRC $3k in months 1-3 and another $2k in months 1-6.
Discover does the cash back match for a year.
Three months is still the most common, though. Maybe three months gets a customer into the habit of using a card. Giving more time for the same spend may fail to encourage the customer to use it. Or it may encourage lower income/spend customers to get the card vs. the bigger spenders many banks want.
Three months gives the customer a little flexibility, and still doesn't make the customer wait too long for the bonus. Many people are impatient. Some people get airline and hotel cards when making plans for a vacation. Getting a card in February for a June trip isn't very helpful if you won't meet the minimum spend until July. So maybe that's why $3k/3 months is more common than $6k/6 months
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With banks trying harder and harder to avoid churners, why do they still have signup bonuses that are so easy to churn. They are pretty much all "spend this much in 90 days to get this". That makes it very easy to use the card heavily when you first get it and then sock drawer or forget about it once the bonus is met. Wouldn't it make more sense to offer a bonus that's the same money, but spread over say 6 months or a year? At the end it's the same amount of money, but it might force people to keep the card in their wallet more. Just a thought.I think a lot of the bonus structures are the same because the CC companies are competing with each other. Just like the toothpaste business or whatever. If someone offers whitening or breath freshening and it pumps up sales, then competitors will be doing the same thing in an instant.
I did have one card with the type of thinking that you suggested. It was a US Bank Business Cash card. The bonus was $500 for $4.5k spend in the first 3 months, then an additional $250 for $3k spend in the next 3 months. The total bonus was $750, I might be forgetting the exact spend limits because they were just normal spend for me so I didn't think about it. But, what it did was encouraged me to keep using the card after the initial bonus, and it was good for me because I didn't have to apply for another card.
PRG and some other cards have sometimes offered a bonus that had the second part take effect after some minimum spend in year 2.
SPG had at least one offer for spending IIRC $3k in months 1-3 and another $2k in months 1-6.
Discover does the cash back match for a year.
Three months is still the most common, though. Maybe three months gets a customer into the habit of using a card. Giving more time for the same spend may fail to encourage the customer to use it. Or it may encourage lower income/spend customers to get the card vs. the bigger spenders many banks want.
Three months gives the customer a little flexibility, and still doesn't make the customer wait too long for the bonus. Many people are impatient. Some people get airline and hotel cards when making plans for a vacation. Getting a card in February for a June trip isn't very helpful if you won't meet the minimum spend until July. So maybe that's why $3k/3 months is more common than $6k/6 months
Very rare to see the additional SUB for additional spend after the intial bonus. The SPG 35k offer comes to mind and all the main AMEX business cards as well.
wrote:Very rare to see the additional SUB for additional spend after the intial bonus. The SPG 35k offer comes to mind and all the main AMEX business cards as well.
Didn't Citi do that, second year bonus on maybe Premier at some point?
[Checks the web. Yes, in 2015.]
the sign-up bonus was 20,000 points after $2,000 in purchases within the first three months of account opening, and then an additional 30,000 points after another $3,000 in purchases within the first three months of your second year of being a cardmember.