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hdporter
Regular Contributor

Re: Auto Insurance

Auto insurance is a black box.  You'll never get a straight answer about what impacts your premiums most.  Further, you'll never get a satisfactory answer to what's behind your premium increase.

 

Yeah, claims went up last year.  And what else did you throw into the mix that spiked my premium 20% last year, and another 20% this year.

 

The only effective strategy is to rate shop each year and decide whether you want to insure with the carrier currently offering the lowest rate (with a good chance that your rates will creep up excessively over the coming two or three years until you go beat the bushes again).

 

Whatever you do, don't presume that "loyalty" will be rewarded.  The joke is that after 2-3 years, you'll always find another issuer with a lower rate as a come-on for you to switch to them.  And, next thing you know, your former carrier will do the same.

 

 



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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Auto Insurance


@Junejer wrote:

This insurance game is baffling to me. Did online research and found even more disturbing results. I applied with me as primary and DW as secondary with GEICO and found that the rate would drop by about 10%. Decided to list DW as primary and me as secondary and received a 34% price difference. This is crazy. I haven't had a ticket in I don't know when (15 years?). My wife had a ticket about four years ago. Homeowner's insurance was equally as disturbing. We have never had a claim and her rate was 80% of what I was quoted. Obviously, I listed her as primary, but I am baffled by this.


Some very important points regarding CBIS and premiums.

1. Premiums are based on CBIS of the primary. With many insurers the oldest person is listed 1st and they look at the CBIS of the 1st person listed.

2. Your CBIS score can have a greater influence on premiums than a minor or 1st accident.

3. Credit scores do not correlate well with CBIS scores. The CBIS algorithms penalize severely for new credit in the last 2 years. HPs count against you for the full 2 years but do lessen over time.

4. You have to ask!!! If your credit situation has improved a lot and you have been gardening for a couple years; ask for a CBIS rerate before renewal. No ask => old score/rating used.

5. Public records (collections, bankruptcy.. ) only count against TU CBIS for 5 years. If your serious derogs are over 60 months, ask for a rerate. Unfortunately, LN goes 7 years but atleast negative impact lessens substantially after 2 years

6. The pain starts with 30 day lates for LN CBIS. However, for TU the pain starts with 60 day lates. No lingering impact on TU CBIS with 30 day lates.

 

Again, for joint owners of a car or home, it's the CBIS of the primary that influences premiums. Have insurers quote both ways.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Snook_on_the_Line
Established Contributor

Re: Auto Insurance

They also use LexisNexis 

the last time I got a new policy I got a letter from gieco stating my rates were not the lowest that they offer due to my insurance score and data from the following other sources.   
LexisNexis was at the top of the list.   

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markbeiser
Established Contributor

Re: Auto Insurance


@hdporter wrote:

 

 

Whatever you do, don't presume that "loyalty" will be rewarded.  The joke is that after 2-3 years, you'll always find another issuer with a lower rate as a come-on for you to switch to them.  And, next thing you know, your former carrier will do the same.

 

 


I'd love to get 2-3 years before they try to jack my rates up.
Historically I've had to change my auto insurance every 6-12 month, and my home insurance every year to dodge huge rate hikes.
I did get a nice deal in February, and am holding out hope that I won't have to switch again for a while, but I'm afraid home insurance rates in Texas are about to get jacked up again...

Back to gardening until Late February 2026.
Current FICO8:
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Auto Insurance


@Snook_on_the_Line wrote:

They also use LexisNexis 

the last time I got a new policy I got a letter from gieco stating my rates were not the lowest that they offer due to my insurance score and data from the following other sources.   
LexisNexis was at the top of the list.   


LN = LexisNexis in my above post. The below should get you to their reason code list. You will need to copy-paste into your browser.

 

https://risk.lexisnexis.com/-/media/files/insurance/reason-codes pdf.pdf
Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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