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Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?

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Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?

Anyone who has pulled reports direct from the bureaus, in particular Experian and Equifax, has likely noticed additional detailed payment history details. While the common mantra is utilization has no history, it does on reports in regards to balances and payments. While some scoring systems, such as classic FICO 8, don't appear to use such data, surely other scoring systems likely do, along with some creditors for underwriting purposes.

 

Balance History - The following data will appear in the following format:
account balance / date payment received / scheduled payment amount / actual amount paid
Jul 2015: $195 / June 19, 2015 / $25 / $170
Jun 2015: $346 / May 7, 2015 / $25 / $201
May 2015: $191 / April 23, 2015 / $25 / $359
Apr 2015: $110 / March 26, 2015 / $25 / $239
Between May 2015 and Jul 2015, your credit limit/high balance
w as $500
Between Apr 2015 and Apr 2015, your credit limit/high balance
w as $300

 

A creditor, using such extra data, can determine with a high degree of confidence whether one has truly been timely on their payments with other creditors verses slightly late, which will often show as OK in payment history. There doesn't seem to be much info about balance history and what it's used for, and thus why I'm asking.

 

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Re: Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?

Hello RonPA.  Great question!

 

I like your use of the word mantra here.  That was funny.  You are right that it is important not to get into a rhythm of just repeating a thing, irrespective of possibie evidence to the contrary.

 

It does appear to be virtually certain, however, that current and past FICO models (as well as Vantage) do not use the data you have identified.  (Yet.)  That is, although the CRAs have begun to record the amount owed (as it appeared on the monthly statement) and the actual amount paid (in the period following that statement) -- and to do so for many months in a row -- FICO's scoring algorithms do not appear to use it.  All FICO remembers is what a card's most recently reported balance is.  Thus the mantra that FICO has no memory when it comes to CC utilization.

 

OK, so why doesn't FICO use it, you might ask -- right?  The reason is that, in the big scheme of things, the CRAs have only been doing this fairly recently.  Even now I'm not sure that every credit card company is submitting this historical data for every card.  Even if they were, it would take FICO or Vantage a while to decide how they wanted to use it and then to build that into their computer programs and then test it and then release it.

 

That said, my belief is that FICO and Vantage will be using it at some point.  I am guessing that we might see this in FICO 10.  How they will use it is not certain, but my guess is that they will use it to model whether a consumer tends to be a Revolver or a Transactor. 

 

A revolver is someone who pays less than the full balance and carries some amount of his or her balance over to the next month.  A transactor is someone who uses his or her credit card but pays it in full, after the statement generates but before the due date.

 

People who pay in full (Transactors) have been shown to be far less risky, on average, then Revolvers.  The data you mentioned can easily be used to see whhich of the two types a consumer is more like.

 

Thus, right now it is true to say that FICO has no memory for utiliization -- but in the future it may have.  Which is just one more reason, to my mind, to get in the habit of paying in full.  Below is a short article about this if you are curious to read more:

 

https://blog.mint.com/credit/guess-what-else-is-on-your-credit-report-now-0514/

 

 

 

 

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takeshi74
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Re: Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?


@Anonymous wrote:

surely other scoring systems likely do


AFAIK there's no such evidence.  The existence of the data does not mean that it is used by scoring models.  Granted, it could be considered in future.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

along with some creditors for underwriting purposes. 


It's possible but specific underwriting criteria of different creditors seem to be even less understood than the different scoring models and how they evaluate report data.

 


@Anonymous wrote:

While the common mantra is utilization has no history, it does on reports in regards to balances and payments


Context always matters and that statement applies to (current) FICO scoring.

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Re: Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?

Saw an old post indicating Amex may already be actively using balance history data. Very interesting info regarding transactor and revolver. While it would seem advantageous to classify borrowers in such a manner in FICO scoring, it could work against the card issuers in the longrun. If borrowers are penalized with lower scores for revolving, many won't. That would, presumably, hurt credit card issuers far more than the current losses from revolvers who default.

 

PIF, while profitable, isn't ideal unless the card holders are running huge amounts of money through their cards. While many here do that, MyFICO users are not reflective of the general public at-large, many of which are lucky to run $12,000 through combined on all their cards in an entire year; swipe fees from that doesn't add up to much compared to interest charges.

 

 

For example:

 

User 1: Spends $12,000 per year. Always PIF. Assuming 1% in swipe fees, and that's $120 revenue. Even if I'm way off, and the swipe fee percentage is twice that, that's $240.

 

User 2: Spends $12,000 per year. Revolves sometimes, and pays interest on $1,000 (annualized) at 20%. $120 (1% swipe) + $200 (interest) = $320. Already an improvement.

 

User 3: Spends $12,000 per year. Revolves heavily, and pays interest on $6,000 (annualized) at 20%. $120 (1% swipe) + $1200 (interest) = $1,320. That's huge. Leaves a lot of extra margin to cover the higher default rate of revolvers.

 

If I can think of this, surely the FICO score wizards have too, and would utilize balance history in a more limited way much like how utilization is now - it's affects scores, but is temporary, and within a short period of time one can recover. Time will tell.

 

In the meantime, it would seem prudent to be aware of balance history and what it can potentially be used for, including identifying the type of borrower, payment promptness (minor, non-reportable lates may be evident in balance history to other creditors right now), etc.

 

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Re: Credit Bureaus Record Detailed Balance History. How do card issuers use such data?

Lots of interesting thoughts there, OP.  Many thanks.

 

A lot of people believe that credit card companies earn a lot more money from revolvers than they do from transactors.  You are not alone in thinking that.  The two crucial questions ultimately are these:

 

(a) How expensive for the issuer is the higher frequency of default is amongst revolvers?

 

(b) Do transactors typically spend more annually than revolvers?  Perhaps much more?

 

As far as (a) goes, it's probably REALLY hard to overestimate the extent of the cost of default.  It's not just the money the issuer loses on the last balance, but the whole apparatus of customer service and legal teams and so forth fighting with an R over time. There are a lot of costs involved in a default, compared to a person who just provides a steady stream of swipe fees (which average about 2%).

 

As far as (b) goes, the pattern for many revolvers may be to buy a fair amount early on, but as they get closer to the credit card limit, and a substantial chunk of the payment is interest, their spending goes down (or they default).  So the scenarios you describe, in which the revolver buys just as much as the transactor, may be not be fully realistic.

 

Here's an interesting case study in how much CCCs like safe customers: Bank of America's Better Balance Rewards card.  They like safe customers so much that they are willing to pay you $120 in cash for always paying on time and always more than the minimum balance, including customers who PIF and who generate very low annual spending.  Honestly I wouldn't have guessed that an issuer would like safety THAT much, but apparently they do.  I set up my Netflix on my BBR card and BofA pays a big chunk of my bill.  I used to pay for it on my Citi Double Cash and all I got back was 2% of the bill.

 

Two final thoughts:

 

You raise an interesting question, which is this: If the FICO scores of revolvers went down (due to a change in the algorithm) could that cause them to become transactors?  In a few cases yes, but I am going to hazard a guess and say largely no.  If paying huge levels of interest isn't enough to cause them to want to PIF, then having a lower credit score sure ain't gonna do it.  As this forum attests to daily, many rank and file Americans have never seen their credit report or credit score, and when they do it is 20 days before they decide (for no particularly good reason) that they have GOT to buy a house.  The interest they pay, by way of contrast, is something they are reminded of every month, apparently to no effect.

 

As a follow up to that (very interesting!) question, you wonder whether FICO would not make such a change if it would hurt credit card companies.  My thinking here is that it depends on what the CCCs are hiring FICO to do.  Basically they (and other lenders) are hiring FICO to provide them with a number that predicts risk of default.  That's what the score has been up till now,  I see no reason, however, why they might not purchase richer products that might not give them more information than that, now that the CRAs are collecting it  I can easily imagine a CCC wanting to know a profitability score.  Such a score would take into account the risk of default but would also take into account the extent to which a consumer has a long history of carrying large amounts of CC debt without being late (or generating huge amounts of swipe fees).  FICO already makes a "Bankcard Enhanced" product: I can imagine that the BE product 5 years from now will mine the report for info that predicts how much money an issuer might make from the consumer.

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