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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

Yeah I've read that. I definitely won't dispute with the CRA.

It's not about the 1 inquiry. Its the principle. My DW was pressured into having her credit pulled, and the rep illegally pulled mine.

I cannot go in there and expect a deletion of the inquiry because its technically illegal, even if we both agree it was wrong or illegal. However, it's worth asking for and it's not certainly reasonable to ask them to change it to a soft.
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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

Is the auto loan you're looking to refinance with this bank? If it was, they might technically have had a permissible purpose for pulling your report.

 

If I remember my days of reading the rebuilding forum for DW, a creditor can do a credit inquiry for any reason if you have an ongoing credit relationship with them. For example, if I have a CC with Amex they can pull my credit anytime they want.

 

Furthermore, the law doesn't distinguish between a hard inquiry and a soft inquiry -- it just covers inquiries. The distinction between a hard and soft inquiry is something the credit bureaus made up for tracking purposes.

 

This is not to say I think they are in the right, but they may have had the right to do it regardless of your explicit permission.

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Anonymous
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All we currently have with them is share and draft. No loans or credit products. We have had loans in the past with them, but not since last summer.
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JBjunior
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

What they did was illegal.  I have been through this recently with both my own research into the FCRA and a lawyer after some illegal inquiries were done for my report.  While the FCRA doesn't use the terminology of "soft" and "hard" the system that CRAs use is based on the terminology they do use.  Companies are allowed to do soft inquiries (it is done all the time) but a hard inquiry has to be initiated by the consumer in pursuit of credit.  You could pursue a monetary claim but in my opinion it isn't worth it although some people have been successful.  I was happy when the company began cooperating with me and took action to remove it.  Ultimately it is a violation of your privacy.  Also, while companies you have an existing relationship can pull your credit at their whim, based on language in the FCRA it should be a soft (not called that).

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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

 


@JBjunior wrote:

What they did was illegal.  I have been through this recently with both my own research into the FCRA and a lawyer after some illegal inquiries were done for my report.  While the FCRA doesn't use the terminology of "soft" and "hard" the system that CRAs use is based on the terminology they do use.  Companies are allowed to do soft inquiries (it is done all the time) but a hard inquiry has to be initiated by the consumer in pursuit of credit.  You could pursue a monetary claim but in my opinion it isn't worth it although some people have been successful.  I was happy when the company began cooperating with me and took action to remove it.  Ultimately it is a violation of your privacy.  Also, while companies you have an existing relationship can pull your credit at their whim, based on language in the FCRA it should be a soft (not called that).


I find nothing in the FCRA that states a hard INQ cannot result from an existing creditor or that a hard INQ must be by a consumer in pursuit of credit.

 

FCRA § 604(c)(3) Information regarding inquiries. Except as provided in section 609(a)(5) [§1681g], a consumer reporting agency shall not furnish to any person a record of inquiries in connection with a credit or insurance transaction that is not initiated by a consumer.

 

This is the only reference to a distinction between INQ types that I find in that those INQs seen only by the consumer are what we consider soft and INQs seen by those with permissible purpose to pull your CR are what we call hard.  Still, the distinctions are blurry.  Insurance INQs are what we would call soft, yet other insurance companies can view them.

 

The question is what does it mean by a transaction initiated by the consumer.  Also, what about non-credit and non-insurance INQs?  CAs can place hard INQs since they are collecting on an account that the consumer opened.  INQs from government agencies that do not involve credit transations can often be hard INQs.  Car dealers can often place a hard INQ even though you pay cash. 

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JBjunior
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

You are right that it is very vague.  So in your opinion a company that you have an existing relationship with can pull a "hard" pull multiple times a day, every day, for an indefinite time that will ultimately drop your credit score?  Why do credit extenders balk when they see an inquiry and no new credit line to go with it?  The CRAs agree that a hard inquiry is only for new credit as well (at least that is what they say on my CMS :-)  ).

 

As far as who can legally pull a "hard" inquiry and who actually does, that is two different things.  I posted my experience recently.  I have a mortgage on property that is privately held.  The person who holds the note wanted to sell it at a reduced cost to a third-party mortgage broker.  The mortgage broker pulled my credit report because in his mind he would be extending me credit.  My lawyer and I disagreed.  When I talked to the owner of the company he stated that he had been "doing it for years" and never had an issue.  So basically, he felt he had the right, even though we didn't have an existing relationship and I had not initiated the credit with his company, to review my information.   It is a different situation but I believe the problem lies in that most people 1) Don't monitor their credit reports 2) Don't understand the FCRA 3) The FCRA is hard to understand.  So companies get into a habit of doing something a certain way, because no one calls them on it, regardless of what is the correct way.

 

If I have any doubts, I contact my lawyer..........

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DI
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

 


@JBjunior wrote:

You are right that it is very vague.  So in your opinion a company that you have an existing relationship with can pull a "hard" pull multiple times a day, every day, for an indefinite time that will ultimately drop your credit score?  Why do credit extenders balk when they see an inquiry and no new credit line to go with it?  The CRAs agree that a hard inquiry is only for new credit as well (at least that is what they say on my CMS :-)  ).

 

As far as who can legally pull a "hard" inquiry and who actually does, that is two different things.  I posted my experience recently.  I have a mortgage on property that is privately held.  The person who holds the note wanted to sell it at a reduced cost to a third-party mortgage broker.  The mortgage broker pulled my credit report because in his mind he would be extending me credit.  My lawyer and I disagreed.  When I talked to the owner of the company he stated that he had been "doing it for years" and never had an issue.  So basically, he felt he had the right, even though we didn't have an existing relationship and I had not initiated the credit with his company, to review my information.   It is a different situation but I believe the problem lies in that most people 1) Don't monitor their credit reports 2) Don't understand the FCRA 3) The FCRA is hard to understand.  So companies get into a habit of doing something a certain way, because no one calls them on it, regardless of what is the correct way.

 

If I have any doubts, I contact my lawyer..........


Right on!!  But when when a person mention contacting a lawyer or maybe sue,  some people in these forums get upset.  I had to uphold my  rights against GE and JC Penney  back in 2004.  I successfully settled a dispute with them for violating my rights. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

Well it's Tuesday, hopefully stanggt03 went to the bank today and will have some good news for us.

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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?

Branch manager supposedly wasn't in. Sent an email to the mortgage department corporate head. I'll let you know. No response yet.

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Anonymous
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Re: Did bank rep do anything wrong?


@Anonymous wrote:

Branch manager supposedly wasn't in. Sent an email to the mortgage department corporate head. I'll let you know. No response yet.


Bummer Smiley Sad

 

I know its only 1 inq, but IMO that bank rep should have never pulled your credit report without you being there and you consenting to it.

 

I hope you can get this sorted dude, please do keep us updated.

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