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Signed up to ask all of you more credit educated people a question.
I have around 700 all the time, up or down 10 points. I charge maybe 5000 monhtly on various cards. I pay off every card every month and never carry a balance or pay interest.
The only debt I have is my house.
I have 0 missed payments.
Am I hurting my credit score by never carrying a balance over?
It just seems "to me" that always paying everything would be a good sign of credit worthiness, but maybe the fact no one is making money off of me hurts me?
@Anonymous wrote:Signed up to ask all of you more credit educated people a question.
I have around 700 all the time, up or down 10 points. I charge maybe 5000 monhtly on various cards. I pay off every card every month and never carry a balance or pay interest.
The only debt I have is my house.
I have 0 missed payments.
Am I hurting my credit score by never carrying a balance over?
It just seems "to me" that always paying everything would be a good sign of credit worthiness, but maybe the fact no one is making money off of me hurts me?
Welcome to the forum @Anonymous
When you say you pay off every month and never carry a balance; are you meaning you pay your statement balance in full by the due date? Or are you paying the current balance to zero so no balance reports on your statements?
You do NOT need to carry a balance from month to month for best scores.
Best scores come from having 2 of 3 credit cards report a zero balance while the third reports a balance of less than 8.9% of that cards limit (known around here as AZEO - All Zero Except One). You'll also need an installment loan (auto loan, mortgage or student loan for example) to squeeze every point out.
My *guess* based on the information shared in your original post is your $5,000 a month in spending is reporting as over 28.9% individual utilization on one or more cards, causing your scores to remain suppressed even though you pay in full every month.
If my guess is correct, you can raise your scores by making a payment that brings the individual utilization under 28.9% (under 8.9% would be better) of the limit before your statement cuts.
@Anonymous I believe you may get more responses in helping to understand what is happening with your score, particularly which score are you you looking at....a true FICO 8 or 9? Or are you looking at a Vantage Score also referred to as a FAKO score as these are not a true FICO score? Also, if you could share how long your oldest account has been open and list your revolving accounts, how many inquiries are showing and your average age of accounts if known. Good luck, hope the mystery is solved! 🤞
There's a scoring penalty if you don't report a balance to the bureaus. Only needs to be $5-10 and pay it off.
I think your score should be at least 720, if you pay your cards on time, with a balance. The utilization rate thresholds, and not reporting a balance can affect your score. Also *guessing* you have no past charge offs or bankruptcy. As the others have said, we need a little more information.
Utilization is 6% according to credit karma and credit wise. I have cards from cap 1 / citi / discover /gs around 3k avg limit. I have a hard time with cli because "I don't use the limits" etc. I use Amex mostly because I run 10k or more a month through them and never have an issue. Amex doesn't seem to help my credit I guess.. because it's a.charge account rather tban credit.
i dunno it's just frustrating in my mind I do all the right things and on paper I'm mediocre.
I rely on credit karma for most of my Info. On that app I have
100% payment history
6% utilization
0 deragatory marks
16 total accounts
7 year 7 months credit history
8 hard inquiries
I know I shouldn't have applied for the Apple Card a few months ago lol but I wanted a new iPad Pro and the cash back was better than what I could get. Especially when adding magic keyboard and pencil and all that.
Is there something I can do over the long term to push me past the 700 cage I'm in? I only do 144k yearly. Maybe some little tip that I haven't managed to figure out? Anything is appreciated thank you all for your responses.
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@Anonymous wrote:Utilization is 6% according to credit karma and credit wise. I have cards from cap 1 / citi / discover /gs around 3k avg limit. I have a hard time with cli because "I don't use the limits" etc. I use Amex mostly because I run 10k or more a month through them and never have an issue. Amex doesn't seem to help my credit I guess.. because it's a.charge account rather tban credit.
i dunno it's just frustrating in my mind I do all the right things and on paper I'm mediocre.
I rely on credit karma for most of my Info. On that app I have
100% payment history
6% utilization
0 deragatory marks
16 total accounts
7 year 7 months credit history
8 hard inquiries
I know I shouldn't have applied for the Apple Card a few months ago lol but I wanted a new iPad Pro and the cash back was better than what I could get. Especially when adding magic keyboard and pencil and all that.
Is there something I can do over the long term to push me past the 700 cage I'm in? I only do 144k yearly. Maybe some little tip that I haven't managed to figure out? Anything is appreciated thank you all for your responses.
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I'm guessing you get your score from CreditKarma too?
Get a free membership with FICO score from experian.com
Or go log in to Amex -> Account Services, and view your FICO score from Experian there
Oh ok. I didn't even know Amex provided that. I guess my score is better than I thought. Amex says FICO is 762. That does sound better.
i never knew about the whole let one account show a balance thing. I'm definitely going to incorporate that in.
thank you guys
@Anonymous wrote:Oh ok. I didn't even know Amex provided that. I guess my score is better than I thought. Amex says FICO is 762. That does sound better.
i never knew about the whole let one account show a balance thing. I'm definitely going to incorporate that in.
thank you guys
Just remember, showing a balance and carrying a balance are two different things. You don't have to pay interest for AZEO to work. A few days before your statement date pay down a large portion of your balance, and after the statement prints feel free to pay in full the remainder so you continue to get your grace period.
I appreciate the advise. I'm not going to lie I don't understand most of it.
i check my cards. There is I dunno 5k posted not pending. I pay it. I don't nor have ever considered the date or the cycle etc. Amex loves me for that. I could check my spending or buying power at 60k and be approved. But if I request a cli on savor Im at the 2k I'm lucky to get 2.2k.