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I have found something more complicated than FICO!

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I have found something more complicated than FICO!

Yes, you read that right. There actually is a system in this world that is more complicated, muddy and riddled with secret formulas than FICO...

It is.... DRUM ROLL....


THE VA DISABILITY SYSTEM!

Oh MY GOSH. I'm helping DH wend his way through the system, since he's FUBAR from this brain tumor and doesn't have the memory or stamina to do it himself now.. and it's just a mess. Now I have something other than myFICO to take up my time, at least!
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Anonymous
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Re: I have found something more complicated than FICO!

Anything dealing with the VA is like pulling teeth.... one problem for me is there is sooo many departments that only deal with certain things.... which mean alottttttttttt of calling around to different sections of departments but they all tie into 1 system
so basically setting things up or getting things corrected can take forever but say you owe 1 department money like in eduction section............ no problem...........you wont get your VA loan or Disability check or anything... just love how they able to talk to each other then.
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Anonymous
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Oh he doesn't owe any money, we're just trying to determine what THEY owe HIM! It's crazy!
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Lel
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Re: I have found something more complicated than FICO!


@Anonymous wrote:
Yes, you read that right. There actually is a system in this world that is more complicated, muddy and riddled with secret formulas than FICO...

It is.... DRUM ROLL....


THE VA DISABILITY SYSTEM!

Oh MY GOSH. I'm helping DH wend his way through the system, since he's FUBAR from this brain tumor and doesn't have the memory or stamina to do it himself now.. and it's just a mess. Now I have something other than myFICO to take up my time, at least!




Are you talking about the FERS disability benefit? If so, then yes, it is confusing. But here's how it works in a nutshell, using some hypothetical numbers.

Let's say the your DH's average high-3 pay was $100,000. Let's also say that according to his Social Security statement (the one with the green-and-black letterhead that you get every year), he is entitled to $1000 a month, or $12,000 a year.

Through FERS, in the first year your DH would get 60% of his high-3 pay MINUS his SS disability. He'd still get his full Social Security benefit. Basically, FERS is ensuring that he gets no more than 60% of his pre-disability income, and is making sure that it doesn't pay any amount that is supposed to be paid by Social Security.

So the first year, from FERS your DH would get (60% x $100,000) - $12,000 = $48,000. From Social Security, he would get $12,000. The net result is that in the first year he'd get exactly 60% of his pre-disability income. It's a convoluted way to get to a fairly straightforward number.

For the second year on, the benefit formula is changed and is more confusing. He would get 40% of his high-3 MINUS 60% of his Social Security. So using the numbers above, his yearly benefit would be (40% x $100,000) - (60% x $12,000) + $12,000 = $44,800.

Simple, huh? Smiley Happy
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Anonymous
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We're talking about his service-connected disability pay THROUGH the VA, not any Social Security retirement or disability. His retirement won't be high-three because he took the redux, so however the redux is calculated (another formula I am unable to find...) plus his VA disability pay.
Not sure what FERS stands for, is it service-connected disability??

We've been told to expect anywhere from 70% to more than 100%. BUT, I read that it's only considered 100+ % if any one of the disabilities is 100% in and of itself. So, if the total of all his disabilities rates more than 100%, but no single one is 100%, then it will be different... that, on top of the confusing redux retired pay calculation, plus concurrent receipt which apparently changes things entirely because of taxes being calculated... HEEELP!

lol
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Lel
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I guess I should clarify that where I've written "pre-disability income" or some variant thereof, I'm actually referring to his high-3 income. If he had been getting steady pay increases over the years, then the benefit would be slightly less than 60% of his most recent income. If, however, he used to work full-time and is now part-time, his disability pay might be higher than 60% of his most recent pay, since the calculation is based on his highest salary in 3 consecutive years anytime during his federal service.
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Lel
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@Anonymous wrote:
We're talking about his service-connected disability pay THROUGH the VA, not any Social Security retirement or disability. His retirement won't be high-three because he took the redux, so however the redux is calculated (another formula I am unable to find...) plus his VA disability pay.
Not sure what FERS stands for, is it service-connected disability??

We've been told to expect anywhere from 70% to more than 100%. BUT, I read that it's only considered 100+ % if any one of the disabilities is 100% in and of itself. So, if the total of all his disabilities rates more than 100%, but no single one is 100%, then it will be different... that, on top of the confusing redux retired pay calculation, plus concurrent receipt which apparently changes things entirely because of taxes being calculated... HEEELP!

lol





Oh, I see. SC disability is really, truly impossible to understand. FERS, by the way, stands for Federal Employee Retirement System, which I believe all federal employees are required to participate in. Based on what you've written, it's pretty clear that he is a participant, unless he's still a holdover from the older CSRS. I don't think the FERS disability is affected by the redux plan, but you should check with HR to find out.

I don't know how the whole SC is calculated. I do know that it is possible to be SC for a condition but not get any income from it (for example, if the rating is 0-10%). If someone has several SC conditions, each rated at less than 100%, at some point they will be 100% SC. However, it seems that you can't just add up the individual percentages to see if they reach 100%. So, someone might have 5 conditions each at 20% SC, but it won't translate to 100% SC.

You could try talking to your VSO, or even with the local Comp & Pen folks to see if they can shed any light on the issue. At the very least, you'll have to file a claim for increase, after which it will be turned over to the various local and regional reviewers to determine what additional benefit, if any, your DH will receive.

Good luck.
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Anonymous
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He's retiring from AD military service, not fed service. So FERS doesn't apply Smiley Sad It's a whole other system and most of the sea lawyers that have given us well-meaning advice are either fresh retirees themselves, or salty old 'Nam vets Smiley Happy

All well-meaning but not entirely informed. And a few are just plain angry! I just got the # of a VSO on the base that is going to help us with the VA26-526 form.

The whole thing is even more complex because some of his disabilities may be permanent, but they won't know for another year or two as he continues to heal from the neurosurgery! Gaaah!
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Lel
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Boy, I'm just giving you a lot of non-applicable advice and information!

The VSO is definitely the place to start. The military lawyers, unfortunately, are not going to provide a lot of insight into the process. Definitely complete that 526 and submit it. Make sure you consider all possible claims when you file, not just the brain tumor. Anything that occurred during military service - loss of hearing, carpal tunnel syndrome, adult-onset diabetes - can be assigned service connection, depending on the results of the C&P examination.

If your DH served in the Middle East over these last several years, then he should get OEF/OIF expedited processing. Sadly, with the number of new claimants since 2001, this may not mean much.
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Anonymous
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He served in GTMO in support of OIF and just got back in Sep 07 from Iraq for OEF. "Expedited" and "VA" are kind of oxymorons, aren't they? Smiley Happy

His actual retirement date is five months away right now, so we'll hopefully have it all submitted by next month and then just wait on the DD214 to complete it all. blegh. The only thing that won't be included is a "hard landing" helo crash in N Iraq.. that's because the two others he was on the flight with are now dead, so they can't give supporting statements Smiley Sad We're looking at a healthy sum, which I'm grateful for, esp if he has a hard time finding work at first because of left-over tumor issues.

Oh, and he will NOT be working fed after retirement! nooo waay... probably as a gov contractor, simply because there's less math involved! LOL
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