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techgirl
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Re: I've hit rock bottom

About that cable budget, I got rid of my DirectTV and my internet service as well as phone so I could pay down my CCs faster. Right now if you go to dtvanswer.com, you can get yourself a digital receiver and put some bunny ears and watch TV for free. Now, it isn't all the channels you want, but it is FREE TV!  Also, I am doing Netflix (for my entertainment) and the plan I use is the 3 DVDs at a time for a total of $18.00/month.
 
As far as those Payday loans, if you gave them a check number, tell your bank you want to put a stop payment on those checks - that way they can't run them again - there is a fee - but it is better than closing your checking account.  Then contact them and tell them your situation and a proposed payment plan - send it through the mail Certified Return Receipt Requested.
 
Take those CCs and Debit cards away from your wife. In fact, take your CCs away from yourself and put them somewhere you won't use it - do not close your account, just hide your cards or give them to your parents for safe keeping if you can trust them. Then only pay cash for everything until you can get caught up. Keep your debit for gas and things, but don't let your wife have them.
 
Groceries - I agree, rice and beans are great - you can do all types of dishes with it - Mexican, Cuban, Chicken and Rice, vegetables (frozen - many times are put on sale). Do price matching - all of those adds you get in the mail - make a spreadsheet with them and put what the item is, the price and the store and the page number ofthe add. Then you can shop at WalMart, take your list and the weekly ads with you and your shopping list to get the lowest prices all at one store....
 
Selling your TV: How old is that TV - can you get your money back from the store, return it? Worried you won't be able to sell your TV at a garage sale and get the money you deserve for it.
 
Also, watch how you water your yard, watch your usage of utilities, etc.  \
 
Jobs - is your wife working?  If not, have her work different hours than you so she can still watch the kids....
 
I am sure there is more - I will post when I think of something. Above posts are great - I agree - DO NOT USE YOUR 401K MONEY!!!!!
 
Good luck.
05/12: approx 680 across the board
04/08 EQ: 730 TU: 748 EX: 718
03/08: EQ: 713 TU: ? EX: ?
12/07: EQ: 689 TU: 711 EX: 721
Message 21 of 46
fishbjc
Senior Contributor

Re: I've hit rock bottom

Hi Rob!  I'm sorry to hear of your troubles.  There IS a way out and we'll be here to support you.
 
When your inlaws give your dw the check, make sure it goes toward paying ALL of your back mortgage, utilities and purchasing food and necessities for the baby, getting any auto arrears settled.
 
As far as the payday loans, you should be able to make some sort of an arrangment with them. 
 
Go to a credit counseling service immediately.  If you PM me, I"ll give you info on the one I use.  They're fabulous!  They've cut my interest to 4% on CC and 13% on signature loan.  That alone may help you get back on track.  Go ahead and call the CC and ask them if they have a recommendation.  Some of them work closely with certain services (mine did) BofA.  If you get no satisfaction, get these bills into CCS.
 
Working o/t should put additional $$ into your pocket as everyone needs a little bit of cash. 
 
As far as these issues...please Please PLEASE sit down with your wife and discuss EVERYTHING.  You're not her caretaker, you're her DH and you need to support each other.  Can she take a p/t job, doing something at home., i.e. child care perhaps?   Money problems can be detrimental to a relationship, don't let that happen!!!!!!
 
Use that stimulus check to get that med. collection PFD!!!! 
Message 22 of 46
fishbjc
Senior Contributor

Re: I've hit rock bottom

Rob, I would just like to say that nobody who has a beautiful and healthy child will EVER hit rock bottom.  Look into the baby's eyes and know that. 
 
 
Message 23 of 46
Anonymous
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Re: I've hit rock bottom

To everyone in regards to the Payday loans,
 
A loan that you default on is one thing. 
 
A payment that is dated and the account is closed before that date is fraud.  A stop payment on a check can also be claimed to be the origional intent and fraud as well. 
 
Do talk to the loan places, do any of them have any secured collateral like a car title?  I suggest taking care of those first if they do.  I would do as suggested and personally go to the places of business, lay it all out and ask for help.  They would rather get their money.  Most of them don't report to the credit bureaus but they do get judgements after fees and intrest have run for months leaving you with 10x the origional loan to repay. 
 
Keep talking to them each pay day and get whatever they offer in writing.
Message 24 of 46
Anonymous
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Re: I've hit rock bottom

Thank you everyone for the words of encouragement. I guess by saying I've hit rock bottom, I am telling you that I refuse to go any further down. I am going UP from this point forward. It's a positive thing to me. In the state of Washington, a payday loan is considered like any other loan. They can't send you to jail for not paying; the check is just their way to "secure" the loan. I fully intend on working with each of these payday lenders and paying them their money back. I take full responsibility for the fact that I borrowed money from them, and even if their fees are outrageous, I knew from the start what the fees were. But I already have a bank account at a separate bank opened and my direct deposit changed. I know from other forums I have posted on and other people I know that as soon as they think you are going to default, they will bounce the crap out of those checks and my only way to take control of my money is closing my bank accounts and then working out a repayment plan with them. But again, it is my lowest priority right now besides credit cards and I will not let them screw my life up, and make me lose my home. Home is #1, Car is #2, and the rest will be paid off.

My wife will NOT go to a casino anymore, the money is in my full control; the bank account is in my name, and she understands why it has to be this way. My wife does work from home; doing child care which is where the $745.00 a month in my budget comes from. She is hopefully getting another child to take care of which will double that; and that will go to fixing this mess.

I wasn't talking about borrowing from my 401k, I was talking about taking my money out (enough to catch up) and paying the tax penalty on it; because I am 30 and have more time to save up; right now my priority is digging out of this hole I'm in. But that's not an option, so I am working on other ideas.

Message Edited by rcuomo70 on 04-17-2008 08:45 PM
Message 25 of 46
Nectarine
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Re: I've hit rock bottom


@Anonymous wrote:
I wasn't talking about borrowing from my 401k, I was talking about taking my money out (enough to catch up) and paying the tax penalty on it; because I am 30 and have more time to save up; right now my priority is digging out of this hole I'm in. But that's not an option, so I am working on other ideas.




I know I'm in the minority here, but I fully recommend cashing in part of your 401K in addition to making other changes if at all possible. At $700 a month in fees alone, you're burning through $12'000 faster than some people might realize. Throwing money at some problems isn't going to fix them completely, but throwing money at this problem WILL get you out of immediate danger. It's a great idea to have a large retirement plan, but right this second it's more important that you some of your bills paid off. Most 401Ks can be withdrawn if you're having a financial emergency (which you are). They deduct the taxes due from the payment, but it's a small price compared to finance charges or payday loans.

Ask HR or your benefits manager about an emergency benefit (most companies have this). Usually it's not a loan, although they may have a loan for higher amounts. It's usually $100-500, but that's a bit of free money that could help you a lot right now.

Axe eating out entirely and drastically cut your entertainment bill. It may not be applicable in your case, but I am using Gamefly to rent games (like netflix). It's $18-23 per month, but it's less than the $50-120+ that my girlfriend and I were spending. If you rent/PPV a lot, Netflix is a lifesaver. Some video stores have in-house programs where you can pick up movies too. I've only bought one book since going to the library a lot, and that's The Complete Tightwad Gazette (worth the money).

On your budget I see "personal loan" and "brother loan" -- are these loans to other people? If so, now is the time to ask for a break.

My number one tip to you is DO NOT COUNT ON YOUR WIFE'S BIRTHDAY MONEY! I have seen this exact scenario play out so many times! This mystery check might be for $500 or $10'000 or they may buy her something tangible instead. Something like a dinette set or a nice crib or a memory foam mattress (all great gifts) is not easily sold, so it's basically worthless when it comes to your current situation.

Sell the TV on Craigslist. It's a lot easier to sell large items there because people will come pick it up instead of paying shipping. You're also likely to get a better deal. If it's less than three months old, call the store and ask if you can return it without a box (if you don't have the box). If you can, great, if not craigslist it tomorrow (most people can pick it up on weekends).

Call your utilities and see if you can get a reduced rate for a couple of months. Lots of electricity companies do this because of AC costs. The saved amount will hit you later, but without interest.

When your insurance is up for renewal, shop around. Big savings can be had.

Some grocery items can be had at Dollar Tree. I usually get polish sausage, canned mushrooms, olives, pasta and sauce, other groceries and all household supplies there for less than $20 a month. I've calculated it at my grocery store and I'm saving at least $100 doing it that way. Dollar tree is great because $1=$5 worth of stuff usually.

If you're still using a landline, now is the time to switch to vonage or bundle with your internet company. If you switch, you can often get a month or two free.

In fact, if you call up some places and act like you'd want to quit because of the money troubles, they can oftentimes cut you a big break (for the cost of 20-minutes of hold time Smiley Very Happy).

Cut out most/all convenience foods, make a meal list for shopping, and stick to super-basics for breakfast and lunch. Oatmeal and PB&J, bologna sandwiches, malt o meal. Stuff that's not too bad for you, is cheap and fills you up.

You're kind of hosed on the baby stuff. All I can suggest is not to be brand-loyal when it comes to baby stuff. I don't suggest using the least expensive diapers or switching to cloth diapers (I wouldn't do it!), but if there's a special going on you want to weigh the options. (That's assuming your baby isn't potty-trained). If your baby is eating baby food, try replacing some baby food with home-made (salt and sugar-free) food like boiled carrots and peas (cooled to room temp of course).

Does your medical insurance cover you and your wife? I see that you spend $50 on medical a month, so just wondering if that's OTC products (which is necessary for a lot of people and a reasonable amount). But if your insurance doesn't cover either of you and the $50 is a doctor's visit or something, then definitely investigate your insurance options.

On the payday loan front: instead of canceling your bank account, make a second checking account and turn off overdraft protection (you may have to go in the bank to do this). All of your other bills need to come out of Checking Acct #2, and all your checking acct money need to be there. If the payday checks hit the account when it's empty they should bounce (with a $0 balance in the acct). Yes if that happens they may try to get a judgment against you for some ridiculous amount, but they may try that anyway. Going to CCCS or a similar agency could cause them to put the checks in immediately, but it's also possible that things will work out. So have faith in yourself that you can make it. Smiley Happy

Good Luck!!!!

Griffin

Message Edited by Nectarine on 04-17-2008 10:56 PM
Message 26 of 46
MattH
Senior Contributor

Re: I've hit rock bottom

To OP:

It sure sounds like you have dug a fairly deep hole and are trying hard to dig out now. Much of what people have posted on this board MAY be good advice OR it may not be good advice for YOU, I cannot judge that for you. You and your spouse do urgently need to talk face-to-face with somebody you both can TRUST about your situation.

Are you a member of a church, synagogue, temple, or some such? If so, then among those with whom you should talk TODAY NOT TOMORROW would be your priest/minister/rabbi/guru/teacher. If not, then I very strongly suggest joining a religious organization of your choice ASAP for many reasons. First, clergy of most faiths became clergy in large part because they have different values from the rest of the world, values that can serve you extremely well in this situation. Second, any person of the cloth who has been one for a while has helped others in situations like yours, and therefore has experience and perspective that will be useful. Third, some congregations have funds available for helping members facing emergencies -- and unlike payday lenders if your congregation lends you money they will actually care about helping YOU not about sucking whatever resources you have dry. As you have unfortunately learned the hard way, payday lenders will happily provide people with shovels to dig their holes deeper.

One poster mentioned Dave Ramsey, www.daveramsey.com which is a site I highly highly highly recommend -- Dave does come from a strongly Christian perspective so if you belong to some other faith you might object to that aspect of Dave's site -- but most of Dave's advice makes sense no matter what your faith tradition may be.

When you have resolved your current situation, then you must build up emergency reserves as soon as possible and keep saving after that. I am very fortunate that I have never been in a situation quite like yours, but there have been times in the past when something like a major car problem automatically became additional debt since I had no other way to pay for it. Now that I have some reserves I can pay for life's surprises without incurring debt -- such as root canal work on TWO DIFFERENT TEETH and a new furnace in 2007 for instance, dental pain is never much fun but at least I got through it without adding financial pain since I had reserves to cover what my insurance didn't (first root canal exhausted my dental insurance for 2007 so I basically paid for second root canal).

PS: gamblers can be deeply irrational when in trouble so watch out. Friend of mine once came home to find roommate crying because he'd blown their rent money at casino. My friend said, "well, we were going to go out for dinner tonight, let's eat frozen pizza instead and then we can take what we would have spent on dinner to the casino and maybe we'll get lucky, if not we've only lost cost of one dinner on top of what you already lost." They got lucky and won enough to cover the rent, but then my friend's roomie wanted to KEEP GAMBLING in the hope of winning more. At this point my friend said, "NO, we are luckier than we deserve, we STOP right now, you give ME all the money and first thing tomorrow I take it to the rental office before either of us has a chance to blow it!!!"

Message Edited by MattH on 04-18-2008 04:28 AM
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Message 27 of 46
Anonymous
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Re: I've hit rock bottom

Hello Rob,
 
 
   Just wanted to say good luck you have so many people to support you here.  I would like to add my 2 cents to the thread. Here are my 2 cent it took me 24 months to get out of debit.
 
1. Return the TV to the store if possible and you have the receipt and it has not been over the
    time to return ( just tell them it was a gift and they want you to return it.).
2. Garage sale- get family and friends to donate items to sell.
 
3. Have a get out of debit dinner I did it 4  times friends and family in back yard party  get together I had them give money at the door we all had pre-sweeten koolaide plastic cups  raised $600.00
everyone enjoyed just hanging out. Everyone gave 10.00-20.00 donation. ( got the ideal from the movie Friday they had a rent party to pay their rent) it does work.
 
4. I would have the money that your wife brings in for a specific bill.
 
5. They have free accountant services at community centers to best guide you to what and how you should pay first as there is a plan.
 
6. Get a second Job working and if you have in laws have them keep the grand baby while you both get part-time jobs  maybe one during the week and one on weekends.
 
7.Before you get ready for the extra money get seek a professional ( free service) that can tell you
  the best ways use it.
 
it did not happen overnight it takes work, work, work, staying focused and determination and getting help when you get to the other side of this you will be able to help someone else!!!
 
I wish you the best of luck and believe you can do it!
  
Message 28 of 46
techgirl
Frequent Contributor

Re: I've hit rock bottom

Only wishing you the best - ultimately it is your decision - we are just helping you brainstorm and not trying to tell you to do anything illegal. Perhaps putting a stop payment is not the best decision - you might want to talk to your bank and talk to the Payday loans and see if they won't work with you in lieu of just pulling out of your bank account.
 
Good luck - we're here for you...
05/12: approx 680 across the board
04/08 EQ: 730 TU: 748 EX: 718
03/08: EQ: 713 TU: ? EX: ?
12/07: EQ: 689 TU: 711 EX: 721
Message 29 of 46
Anonymous
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Re: I've hit rock bottom



@Anonymous wrote:


@Anonymous wrote:
My wife's gambling problem is a non-issue now because there's no way in hell she will set foot inside a casino again.



As for this part.........if she truly has a gambling problem that she can not control........don't think for a minute that you saying no is going to stop her. Gambling is as much of an addiction as drug or alcohol is. Get her help! Seriously, people with addictions will stop at nothing to get their fix........whether it be drugs, alcohol, or one more nickel for the slots.





Amen!

I tried really hard to stick by my addicted wife. But eventually I realized that she was never going to stop. We separated 18 months ago, and it is no coincidence that the last late payment on any of my credit reports was... 18 months ago.

I'm not saying you should leave your wife. But she HAS to get help, either from a counselor or from Gambler's Anonymous.
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